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Welcome to D&D Wiki![edit]


Hello Vrail, and welcome to D&D Wiki. I hope you have been enjoying this site, and I hope you have been finding the information here on D&D Wiki useful. I am an admin (and, actually, the owner as well) here on D&D Wiki along with a couple other people who make up "The Face" of D&D Wiki. Everything relating to admins can be found here.


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E8 in Campaigns[edit]

Just a reminder before I answer your question, make sure you sign your posts with four tildes that way others can get back to you.

On the subject of campaigns and Epic 6/8. The whole idea of E6/8 is to limit character levels so that you stay within different playstyles. E6 and E8 put pressure on casters to not over-abuse their spells. And keep the players in the spot where they know that encounters are dangerous and could be fatal. As you approach other levels it becomes increasingly insignificant to limit level progression because players are already powerful enough and expanding into Prestige Classes to make it not mean much. At 11th level casters have access to 6th levels spells, and already have a huge repertoire of lower level spells that can easily end encounters. The players have gotten a good deal of magic equipment and can continue to gain that easily. This altogether defeats the purpose of limiting levels. Most people that I've seen have used E6, E8 or E10. Generally you don't want to stop at an odd level as prepared casters have an unfair advantage over spontaneous casters. - Sleaker 02:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


There is a formatting preload to do all the formatting for you somewhere. lemme dig it up real quick.

Found them. Create_New_Campaign_Setting by Valentine. He did a very good job, and I used his with minor adjustments.

- Sleaker 18:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


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Vrail changed all the Variant Rules and Campaign Settings pages from "DnD" to "3.5e". Thanks for your help. --Green Dragon 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Wow, thanks! My first Barnstar! I'm so happy. :D--Vrail 18:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Congrats dude. --Grim914 03:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi Vrail, I appreciate the shout out on my talk page... Yeah, I'm still active, posting new material now and then... I'm currently working at uploading a list of class-specific spells for the Battlemage, both my own and the others from an old Mongoose publication; I don't suppose you know how to set up a class spells page? I noticed that Keyblade Wielder class from Kingdom Hearts has one, and I reeeeeeeeeeealllllly need a spell list of my own. Any help on that would be wicked. Oh, and enjoy my work, this is for all of you guys. \m/ -- Danzig 01:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

You ought to check out my user page and the battlemage spells list, both which I finished today. There's some stuff there you might dig. -- Danzig 09:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


It's sort of bad karma to edit the spelling/grammar of other people's posts. Formatting is fine if someone got the indentation wrong, though. Btw, since you were there, why don't you comment on poop-slinger? We're kinda going around in circles as it is. JazzMan 15:27, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh sorry, didn't mean to cause any discomfort, I'll be sure not to do it again. :) I was thinking about commenting, but I didn't really know what to say...--Vrail 18:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Lol, I didn't mean to scold. It's just that I spent a lot of time on a wiki which did some pretty mean things, and certain things bring on my PTSD. JazzMan 03:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
NP, but you had a good point. :)--Vrail 03:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

DnD moves[edit]

First of all, AMAZING JOB. I didn't think you would actually not only move all those pages, but then fix and place deletion tags on all those redirects!! Looks like it's time for me to clear out the deletion category again, grrr...

If you are bored, I have some links you might like. Then again, you may not like them and for that I apologize. Firstly, there's Pages that start with DnD and pages that include the phrase DnD.

Also, I remembered something. Most of our preloads are nowiki'd, which means that they don't show up in categories and such, but the downside is that they also don't show up in "what links here" links. Some of those older preloads (I know, for example, DnD Material Preload, which is what made me think of this in the first place) still link to Dungeons and Dragons, which is one of the pages I think you moved.

Oh, and one more thing about preloads: a lot of them have links to them that don't show up in the "what links here". So if you do move a preload, you have to make sure that you also move the "add a new X" page to link to the new location. But since the "add a new X" page uses an input box instead of a wikilink, it won't show up in the preload's "what links here" page. Does that make sense? JazzMan 15:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

That makes some sense, I'm sure when I go back through it I can figure this out. It also looks like I'll have my work cut out for me moving all those DnD pages. Even after all that, half of those will probably create double redirects for me to fix too. :P --Vrail 20:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Yup. :) JazzMan 22:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I just noticed you moving the creature pages. If you would not mind could you move them to follow the format as found on D20 Modern Equipment? That is the full name then the designation first with regard to the previous type and then with regard to the page organization type, e.g. D20 Modern Equipment Progress Level 5 All (D20 Modern (1; designation of D&D Wiki, not the page) Equipment (2; designation of d20 Modern, not the page) Progress Level 5 (3; designation of equipment (at least how it is organized), not the page) All (<<>>; general designation (exception), an 'all' organization type (all of the previous listed)). Does this make sense? So, for example, 3.5e Creatures CR 1. --Green Dragon 20:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I think this makes sense. So for example, just to make sure I'm getting it I would move (redirect fixed) to D20M NPCs CR 8 instead of D20M CR 8 NPCs? --Vrail 20:56, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Ya. Same for 3.5e of course, I'm not saying it's just d20 Modern. --Green Dragon 20:57, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I noticed you moving some more pages. To note there is no need for two NPCs in a name. It's comparable to two 3.5e's, for example. --Green Dragon 21:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Oops! How many times did I do that? I'll go back through my contributions and fix em. :) --Vrail 02:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Table of Contents[edit]

Vrail, I really need help creating the table of contents side bar for my campaign setting. Thanks :D --Grim914 04:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'm swamped with work for the next couple of days, but I'll for sure make one for you when I get a chance. :) --Vrail 17:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Tavern re-opening MoI[edit]

Since you commented on Green Dragon's talk page about re-opening the tavern, I thought I would let you know that it's been over a week and I have made this discussion to ask the community what they think. I would appreciate it if you could stop by and leave your two cents. Thanks, Badger 20:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, I left my comments. :) --Vrail 02:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Protections on Pages Have Been Lowered[edit]

Commence page movement. —Sledged (talk) 22:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. One of the pages (DnD Guideline Preload) applies to both 3.5e and 4e, so I'm unsure what GD wants it moved to, so that'll take a day or two to sort out. --Vrail 03:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Vandalism Barnstar[edit]

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Thank you for your outstanding efforts in removing spam.--Grim914 05:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations! --Axl 02:18, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --Vrail 03:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Collapsible Text[edit]

A few weeks ago you gave me some help with collapsible text, and I've only just now gotten around to implementing it on my pages. After twiddling with it for a while I finally figured out how it all comes together, but I still have a question. Is there a way to make the text collapsed by default? What I'm trying to do is make a "DMs only" section on some of my pages, but the collapsible text is preformatted to be visible. I guess it's "collapsible" whereas I'm looking for "de-collapsible," if that makes sense. Any help? ThatGuyEli 02:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Of course. :) To have it auto collapsed when you navigate to the page simply use this code:
{| class="collapsible collapsed"
Which would show up as:
Hope that helps, remember, just ask if you ever need a thing. --Vrail 03:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Adding the word collapsed after the word collapsible should do it. That is, your top line should say {|class="collapsible collapsed". Simple, I know. Just a heads up, I'm pretty sure collapsible boxes don't work with every web browser. I know on Google Chrome I see all the text if the default is open (and no button to close it), and when the default is closed I don't see anything (and no button to open it). --Badger 03:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, guys! That worked perfectly. :) ThatGuyEli 03:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about the edit conflict, I didn't know if you'd be back tonight and I figured if I knew I might as well answer. --Badger 03:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Lol, np, I would've done the same thing :) --Vrail 03:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


Hey Vrail,

Do you know where the Hand Slot Item template is?

--Axl 22:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

There is actually no specific template for hand slot items. If you wish to create one you are simply provided with the basic equipment template. Seeing as there are no other items in this section, you can probably look at items for other equipment slots or look at how things are formatted in the books if you want to be more specific or acurate than the basic template allows.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help. --Vrail 04:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
That's okay, I just took it from a sourcebook. It seems that the Homebrew Arm slot items are either not showing up, or that nothing is supposed... Wait. No, that can't be it. My Asassin Bracers are arm slot items, I think. So it should have something there. I've already asked Green Dragon, but I think the DPLs are still down. Maybe, I'll go check. --Axl 04:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe it's in another category. Maybe that's not its name. --Axl 04:06, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


Hey Vrail,

Do you know who the guy is that created the Avern (4e Race)? If he's not active, should I fix up his race?

--Axl 23:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The user who created the page is Samthere. He is also still active, having just posted on July 25th. He also created and last posted on the Avern on July 25th. However even though he is active it would be fine by all wiki standards if you went ahead and edited it anyways. A wiki is a collaborative work and any user can edit any page at any time. If the edits are poorly done, then they can simply be reverted. However it is generally considered proper etiquette to discuss the revisions on the talk page for the page in question, or the main editors talk page. However this is not a requirement. So ya, feel free to make any changes you want to the page. --Vrail 16:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
All right, thanks. --Axl 00:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Um, just one question. If you every have any free time on D&D Wiki, would you mind helping just insert feats, equipment, and whatever into my D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)? I kinda need a little help. --Axl 00:54, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not actually a 4e guy, really I just post in 3.5e. However if anything jumps out at me I'll add it. :) --Vrail 00:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
All right, thanks. I just need help. --Axl 02:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion Templates[edit]

Next time you go through and add a bunch of delete templates to redirect pages, would you mind using the "minor edit" box? I like to keep track of the recent edits, and three dozen edits like that really clutter up the recent changes. Thanks. --Badger 12:25, 20 August 2010 (MDT)

Sorry about that, I'll make sure I check that next time. I also monitor the recent changes page while I'm on the wiki so I know how you feel. Thanks for reminding me. :) --Vrail 15:55, 20 August 2010 (MDT)


I would just like to notify people that I will not be here to see how my RfA concludes. Something came up in my life that I was not anticipating and I will be gone for the next week. Sorry for the inconvenience of not being able to post right away if my RfA does come through. Thanks for understanding. --Vrail 18:09, 21 August 2010 (MDT)

Welcome to Adminship. You are now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. Honestly, as you will notice, not much has been changed now that you are an admin. If anything, I would say more burden is placed on you. I recommend you take a look at Special:ListGroupRights if you have not already. Some of the the new features' uses pertaining to D&D Wiki follow. You can now delete pages, protect pages, rollback edits, block users and IP's, edit every page, patrol edits, and do a couple more minor things.
  • Deleting pages is normally done through Category:Candidates for Deletion. Anything with a good reason to be deleted on that page should be deleted. The other time pages should be deleted is when someone makes a certain page and after a few edits they either blank the page or replace it with something like "Please delete this". If this page consisted of close to just the preload, just delete it.
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  • Blocking a user or IP should only be used after an IP or user vandalizes a certain page. To block someone just click "block" (found on RC, the diff in question, the userpage, etc) and fill out the corresponding form. For a typical vandalism attack I normally block the user for two weeks. Certain things demand a longer block and others a shorter. No standards have been set for block lengths, use your best judgment.
  • Editing every page on D&D Wiki mostly means you can now edit the SRD and the MSRD. Feel free to edit them if inaccuracies are found. If interested further please look at the SRD ToDO List or the MSRD tasks. Of course that is only the base. There is never enough help to get everything done, so I am sure your help would be appreciated.
  • Patrolling edits should, in a nutshell, be used when you have looked over an edit and fixed everything that needs to be fixed (this includes reviewing the content with templates, answering questions, etc).
I know this is really long-winded, so I'll keep the rest short. You have more burden on yourself now that you are an admin because users will be looking at you for editing help, knowledge of the standards, etc. It's a bit more work, but I really hope you enjoy being an admin and I hope you decide to stay around on D&D Wiki for a while more to come. Welcome to Adminship, again you're now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. --Green Dragon 18:32, 24 August 2010 (MDT)
I saw that you were made an admin and wanted to congratulate you. --Axl 15:31, 30 August 2010 (MDT)
I am terribly sorry that it took me so long to get back to the wiki. What I thought would take but a week turned out to be much more lengthy. Anyways, it's great that I was accepted as an admin and I will do my best to use these new powers to aid the wiki. --Vrail 08:33, 3 September 2010 (MDT)
Thank you. --Vrail 08:34, 3 September 2010 (MDT)
Welcome again. A few things I have noticed. Talk pages get deleted with content pages. This is because the talk page's content no longer has any relevance. --Green Dragon 17:22, 7 September 2010 (MDT)

4e Sizes[edit]

Hey Vrail,

You wouldn't happen to know what are the size penalties (and benefits) for Medium-size and up, would ya? If you could tell me, that would be great.

--Axl 20:27, 8 September 2010 (MDT)

Never mind. --Axl 14:48, 16 September 2010 (MDT)


Hey Vrail,

I was wondering if you could delete the redirects for the template:4e EX Skill Feat Breadcrumb . T'would be nice.

--Axl 16:07, 25 October 2010 (MDT)

An article could use your help[edit]

Hey, I know you've been inactive for awhile, and I don't know what your free-time looks like, but if you get a chance you should check out Blood Knight. Green Dragon has made it a featured article, but there are many wording errors, and I know fixing all the wording problems used to be a goal of yours (don't know if it still is). Anyway, yeah, he's going through it, but there are going to be some things he misses, or thinks are fine as is, and it would be nice for a second pair of eyes to look over it (I can't, I'm pretty busy these days). Thanks. --Badger 17:32, 18 January 2011 (MST)

He says that he might start going on again but i'm not too sure if he can soon. Might have to wait until the summer. --Grim914 21:30, 24 February 2011 (MST)
Alright. Good to know, thanks. --Badger 23:16, 24 February 2011 (MST)
He says that he is too busy with school, but i go to the same school as him and trust me, we do not have much work. It may be the fact that he works a lot on our adventure. Only reason i can think of.--Grim914 23:21, 5 March 2011 (MST)

At your request, the Tideturner is done![edit]

Just thought I'd let you know; you had commented on my Tideturner prestige class, saying you wished it was done. A little under a year later, your wish is granted! :)

Hello dear Senrior (Teoryran World)[edit]

First, hello. May I ask for constructive critique about my setting, Teoryran World(3.5 Setting). I did like to know what you think of it.

  • I tagged category:Teoryran World on most supplement pages instead of Teoryran World Setting.

A favor or two to ask[edit]

Hi Vrail, Danzig here, I've been busy as all Hell for the past year, but I'm closing in on getting that Battlemage article I posted up. That said, I need a hand once again... First off, how does one put coding for a picture into an article? Second, how do I change the names of some of the spells I posted? I need them to read Alarius', rather than Danzig's, and even some of the non-crystal ones are erroneously labeled with Danzig's name in the title as well... Also, if you have time, would you look at my battlemage NPC Jurgen Metzger and tell me if it's up to snuff? I'd appreciate it muchly, dude... Danzig 13:21, 20 June 2011 (MDT)

Vrail has been out of touch for a while, so I figured I'd step in and answer for you. Adding a picture is pretty easy. Just use the "add image" option from the edit toolbar, or type [[File:Example.jpg]], and type in the name of the image you want. What I do is press "preview page" and you will see the image you linked to is a red link. Click on the link, and it should be open up a page designed to upload images (you may have to log in, again), then save the original page. If you have any more trouble with images, leave a note on my talk page. As for changing the names of the spells, you will notice a small tab on the top of each page that says "move", which will open a new page which will allow you to rename any pages. It will automatically add a redirect things to the new page. Again, if you need help, my talk page is always open. --Badger 21:27, 22 June 2011 (MDT)
Badget hit it right. D&D wiki uses a subwiki for our media repository, found here. I just redid my registration on it and share the same username/password. To be 100 percent honest, I've never understood how it works on the backend side, but its how we do it. So you create the link first, then use the redlink to actually add the photo (though the subwiki may force you to log in first).   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   21:31, 22 June 2011 (MDT)

Deep Immersion Sourcebook[edit]

So, I'm going through and deleting pages and I come across your sourcebook. It's got next to nothing associated with it, and the delete template has been on for months. I'm going to delete it. Since you're an admin, if you decide to bring it back you can easily un-delete it. --Badger 16:06, 23 August 2011 (MDT)

Racial Hybrid System[edit]

Ok, I don't know if you know a lot about D&D 4e, but if you do, could you check out my Racial Hybrid System (User:Axl/My Sandbox/Racial Hybrid System) and make sure that it's balanced? Thanks.

--Axl 17:31, 10 November 2011 (MST)

I told Green Dragon about this and my 4e Deity Template, but nothing has happened so far.

--Axl 17:33, 10 November 2011 (MST)

Oh, I guess you like 3.5e more than 4e (judging from your Pages and Goals link).

--Axl 17:36, 10 November 2011 (MST)

By the way, you should check the talk page for the deity template (I responded a while ago). --Green Dragon 23:14, 10 November 2011 (MST)

Nomination for Adminship[edit]

You have been renominated for adminship. --Green Dragon (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

You are no longer an admin. If you feel that you meet the criteria at a later date feel free to nominate yourself. --Green Dragon (talk) 18:38, 27 May 2012 (MDT)


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