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What did you find out in your DPLC tests, Sledged? I am rather curious... --Green Dragon 23:13, 11 February 2007 (MST)

Just what we already know. The source code for it will have to be tweeked a bit. —Sledged (talk) 09:49, 12 February 2007 (MST)
You did get the link to it, right? --Green Dragon 10:25, 12 February 2007 (MST)
Yup, I looked at it a bit over the weekend. —Sledged (talk) 10:34, 12 February 2007 (MST)
What do you think about it (limitations/weaknesses/strengths)? --Green Dragon 10:47, 12 February 2007 (MST)
  • Wiki-code inside the tags go into the DB unparsed, the description template doesn't get converted into a wiki-table row. They only get parsed after it's pulled out of the DB. (Blue Dragon already stated this as an explanation of why putting the tags inside a template didn't work.)
  • If it were made so that the content was parsed before going into the DB, then wiki-code intended to be used in the context of the list page wouldn't work.
  • the 'class="even"' bit doesn't work even though it looks like it should.
The standard DPL tag grabs all the pages the fit the criteria and displays them nice and neatly. Blue Dragon's custom extension uses two separate tags: <dplc> and <DPL2CU>. This first tag takes its contents an throws them in a table, the second tag (DPL2CU) goes through a process similar to the standard DPL, but instead of displaying the pages as links, it uses the page name to grab the stored information from the DPLC tag.
I'm thinking instead of having the DPL2CU tag grab the info from the table, to snag it directly from the page instead. It would grab the page, parse it, then look for the an exposed dplc tag (by "exposed" I mean a dplc tag that wasn't parsed out due to IF statements, comment tags, or other means), and display its contents where the standard DPL tag would just display the page name as a link.
One limitation of this approach is that there's a bit of overhead involved. Where Blue Dragon's implementation was efficient in retrieving and parsing only the tagged info, this implementation would be grabbing the whole page and parsing everything in it ({{#if}} and other similar blocks, templates, custom tags, etc...). This would make the page display slower, but I don't know how much slower. It's possible that Blue Dragon already tried this approach and found it too impractical. —Sledged (talk) 16:28, 12 February 2007 (MST)
He did not try it. However, how much slower do you think it would go? Also, thanks for the above explanation - it has helped me figue this out more. --Green Dragon 00:06, 13 February 2007 (MST)
I honestly wouldn't be able to how much. It could be so minor that no one would notice, or it could be so great that it would take over a minute to display. —Sledged (talk) 11:34, 13 February 2007 (MST)
I MoI'ed Blue Dragon; we will see what he has to say. --Green Dragon 22:37, 13 February 2007 (MST)
Contrary to what Green Dragon said, I have already tried this (it was my first idea). It does not very well at all, because through MW it would be set up as a hook which would parse every page. There are several other methods that I could try. The one which I am using is just a quick and dirty way of doing it. You may give it a shot yourself, or wait until I have time to work on it some more. --Blue Dragon 20:16, 15 February 2007 (MST)
Okay, I've been giving this a little more thought. One thing that's been bothering me is that the page name has to be specified in the <dplc> tag. I kept thinking that there has to be some mechanic that allows the extension to retrieve the name of the page being parsed without the user specifying it. I looked on Wikimedia's meta site and found this article, which says the $parser parameter has the member mTitle which, as the name suggests, contains the title of the page being parsed.
Also, I see why the 'class="even"' doesn't work. The extension is manually replacing the wiki code with HTML code. I'm looking to see if it'll work to have the parser object do that job instead. —Sledged (talk) 13:03, 22 February 2007 (MST)
Ok, since I don't have a test environment, this is all from theory, so wherever I say "will," what I really mean is "to the best of my knowledge should." The following is a diff of what should be changed:
 #$wgHooks['ParserBeforeTidy'][] = 'renderDPLC';
-function renderDPLC($input)
+function renderDPLC($input, $argv, &$parser)
 	// Split the input
 	list ($title, $data) = explode('|',$input,2);
 	$data = addslashes($data);
-	$title = addslashes($title);
+	$title = addslashes($parser->mTitle->getPrefixedText());
 	// Load the database connection
 	$dbr =& wfGetDB( DB_SLAVE );
 	// See whether an entry already exists
 	$sql = "SELECT id,data FROM wdd_dpl2custom WHERE title LIKE '$title'";
 	$res = $dbr->query($sql);
 	$numRows = $dbr->numRows( $res );
 	if ($numRows != "")
This will eliminate the need to specify the page name. However, for backwards compatibility, the first pipe after no-longer-needed page name must still be present, but the text before the pipe may be anything or nothing. Example, any of the following will work the same:
  • <dplc>Animal Leader (DnD Class)|{{Base Class Description|Animal Leader|NR|Moderate Spellcasting, Divine Spellcasting|Animal Leaders find a natural affinity with animals, adventuring with them. Where a fighter uses a sword, or a wizard uses spells, an Animal Leader uses numbers.}}</dplc>
  • <dplc>PLASMA!!!|{{Base Class Description|Animal Leader|NR|Moderate Spellcasting, Divine Spellcasting|Animal Leaders find a natural affinity with animals, adventuring with them. Where a fighter uses a sword, or a wizard uses spells, an Animal Leader uses numbers.}}</dplc>
  • <dplc>|{{Base Class Description|Animal Leader|NR|Moderate Spellcasting, Divine Spellcasting|Animal Leaders find a natural affinity with animals, adventuring with them. Where a fighter uses a sword, or a wizard uses spells, an Animal Leader uses numbers.}}</dplc>
The next is a bit more difficult to determine, but from what I can tell, removing the following lines making the following changes should allow the parser object to create the table from the wiki markup core php code of the wiki to parse the wiki-code:
 // ###### PROCESS SQL QUERY ######
 	//DEBUG: output SQL query 
 	$output .= $logger->msg(DPL2_QUERY, $sSqlSelectFrom . $sSqlWhere);
 	// echo 'QUERY: [' . $sSqlSelectFrom . $sSqlWhere . "]<br />";
 	$res = $dbr->query($sSqlSelectFrom . $sSqlWhere);
−	$allTitles = "";
+	$allTitles = "{|\n";
 	$localparser = new Parser();
−	$i = 0; 
 	while ( $row = $dbr->fetchObject( $res ) )
 		$title = Title::makeTitle($row->page_namespace, $row->page_title);
 		$sTitleText = $title->getText();
 		$sTitleText = addslashes($sTitleText);
 		// Look up the data for this return
 		$sql = "SELECT data FROM wdd_dpl2custom WHERE title LIKE '$sTitleText'";
 		$res2 = $dbr->query($sql);
 		// See whether the result exists
 		$numRows = $dbr->numRows( $res2 );
−		$data = "";
 		if ($numRows != "") {
 			$row2 = $dbr->fetchObject( $res2 );
−			$data = $row2->data;
+			$allTitles .= $row2->data . "\n";
−		// Parse the data$output = $parser->parse( $data, $parser->mTitle, $parser->mOptions, false, false );$output = $output->getText();

// Replace || with and |- with

if ($i == 0){

$output = str_replace('|-',"",$output);


$output = str_replace('|-',"",$output);$output = str_replace('||',"",$output);

$output = str_replace('|',"",$output);$allTitles .= $output;
 		$dbr->freeResult( $res2 );
−	return $allTitles;
 	$dbr->freeResult( $res );
+	$allTitles .= "|}";
+	$allTitles = $parser->parse( $allTitles, $parser->mTitle, $parser->mOptions, false, false )->getText();
+	$allTitles = str_replace('<table>',"",$allTitles);
+	$allTitles = str_replace('</table>',"",$allTitles);
+	return $allTitles;
The deleted code should be replaced with:
As before, there's a chance that these approaches have already been tried. —Sledged (talk) 10:56, 27 February 2007 (MST)
Hello Sledged, Looking through your code (I have not implemented it) I see one problem with the titles of the pages issue. $parser->mTitle will give you the title of the current page where the dplc list is on. Is this what you want? --Blue Dragon 21:52, 27 February 2007 (MST)
Not sure I follow. When you say "the current page where the dplc list is on" are you talking about the pages with the <DPL2CU> tags? —Sledged (talk) 10:04, 28 February 2007 (MST)
No, he is talking about pages like DnD Prestige Classes (I think). --Green Dragon 10:16, 28 February 2007 (MST)
That page is one of pages with <DPL2CU> tags, along with its counterparts for base, racial paragon, and NPC classes. —Sledged (talk) 10:24, 28 February 2007 (MST)
Wow, sorry. I read your post wrong (I thought you said dplc). I need to read things more carefully, sorry. --Green Dragon 10:29, 28 February 2007 (MST)
Blue, if you are referring to the <DPL2CU> pages, I don't see any reason why they'd trigger the the renderDPLC function. As best as I can tell, only the <dplc> tag tiggers that function, and none of the list pages have that tag. Nor does the function triggered by the <DPL2CU> tag call renderDPLC.
You got a test environment in which you could try it out? —Sledged (talk) 19:05, 1 March 2007 (MST)
Hello Sledged. I implemented the code changes for renderDPLC, which make a lot of sense -- I became confused about which block of code that was, seeing that I had not seen the code for awhile. I am sorry for the confusion. The second changes of code make sense as well, and have been implemented. I am sorry for the confusion, but I was finally able to put some time into looking them over. There are a few changes that I made to your changes, which can be viewed at the same file that you used to view the original code. Thanks for the patches! --Blue Dragon 14:47, 4 March 2007 (MST)
Ok, the code didn't work on the first go. mTitle can not be converted directly to a string. The pages with the dplc tags are giving errors as a result. So there's an additional change above. —Sledged (talk) 15:24, 4 March 2007 (MST)
Fixed. --Blue Dragon 15:49, 4 March 2007 (MST)
Reanalysis of the changes to DynamicPageList2CU (see above). —Sledged (talk) 13:11, 2 March 2007 (MST)


Thanks a ton. I'm still not used to this yet. sorry. Nighteye 13:51, 4 March 2007 (MST)

No problem. Let us know if you need any other help. —Sledged (talk) 13:53, 4 March 2007 (MST)


Sledged, since you did such a good job coming up with a skin for D&D Wiki, would you consider doing the same for WikiRPS? I'd actually be happy with the exact same one. --Cúthalion 19:11, 4 March 2007 (MST)

Here you go: Sledged.css and Common.css. Sledged.css references a few images for backgrounds and such, so don't forget those. —Sledged (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2007 (MST)
Okay, thanks. I'll install those as soon as Blue Dragon sets me up. --Cúthalion 20:55, 4 March 2007 (MST)

HTML-to-Wiki request[edit]

Hi I'm a wiki noob so I don't even know if this is the right place to ask but, Green Dragon referred me to you for help with converting HTML from a spreadsheet to wiki format for a table. Is this even possible? The page is D20 twilight (DnD & D20M Variant Rule)#PHB Feat list --Sig 00:42, 17 March 2007 (MDT)

Looks like it'll be able to convert. Might take a while, though. I've been less active on the wiki the past few days. —Sledged (talk) 08:40, 17 March 2007 (MDT)
Great, and thanks! Take your time, it's not too important.--Sig 19:58, 20 March 2007 (MDT)
Shite, Sledged! Thanks, very nice. Hope you didn't do that the hard way, but if it was some technique could you possibly share how you did that?--Sig 21:43, 11 April 2007 (MDT)
I just did it by hand. It wasn't difficult, just a little tedious. —Sledged (talk) 22:17, 12 April 2007 (MDT)


So, when you sign a post, it includes a (talk) option. How do you do that? --Cúthalion 21:15, 21 April 2007 (MDT)

Go to my preferences and copy and paste the following (or any variation thereof) into the "Nickname" text field:
—[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]])
Be sure to check the "Raw Signatures" check box. —Sledged (talk) 22:09, 21 April 2007 (MDT)
That's just too cool. Thanks. –Cúthalion (talk) 08:26, 22 April 2007 (MDT)
Alternatively, you can make a page such as User:Armond/Signature and put in that field {{subst:User:Armond/Signature}}. Be sure to subst it - otherwise, it can become an inclusion on a lot of pages, and changing signature page will cause all the other pages to have to change. When the server's trying to change a thousand pages at once, things get laggy. Armond 12:01, 3 May 2007 (MDT)


Thanks mucho for restoring that page. -Othtim 11:13, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

You're welcome. Just let us know if you need any more help. —Sledged (talk) 11:53, 3 May 2007 (MDT)


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I give you this Barnstar for improving on the original Stat Block and creating Stat Block v2. Stat Block v2 is a large improvement, loading times are decreased and finally spots for most everything one could include in an NPC are present. Overall, I give you this Barnstar for making a fast Stat Block which is all inclusive for the NPCs, thanks. --Green Dragon 23:46, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

Magic Items 2[edit]

In my opinion, the primary magic item template should be named {{Magic Item}} -- on the theory that the most favored template should be the most obvious. I'd like to see the MIC standard be the default. Perhaps we should rename {{Magic Item}} to {{Magic Item Block}}, then move your template into {{Magic Item}}? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2007-05-28 04:39:11 (talkcontribs) Dmilewski. Please sign your posts.

That works for me. —Sledged (talk) 08:31, 28 May 2007 (MDT)
I moved the Magic Item Block over to its new location. I moved Magic Item 2 to Magic Item. --Dmilewski 19:15, 28 May 2007 (MDT)


i am not sure about the rules for improving\creating articals.i would also like to help in some way


Thanks for welcoming new users. For helping, here is a barnstar :).

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I give this Barnstar to Sledged for helping out during my absence in many ways. Sledged has been welcoming new users, and helping them in the process, during my absence. Thanks for helping so much. --Green Dragon 19:36, 24 June 2007 (MDT)

Totally Re:ing Helping DanD Wiki[edit]

Actually, I've found that I quite enjoy reviewing the homebrew classes that appear on the wiki, and am wondering whether there is a formalized group that accomplishes this. Wading through all of the classes on the wiki not knowing whether they've been reviewed or not seems painful.

Ortin 22:00, 28 June 2007 (MDT)

Thanks for rating them. There isn't a formalized group for rating the classes (yet). Anyone can give a rating to any user-supplied class. The best way to see what classes have already been rated is to follow the "... with Description" links from the DnD Classes page. The second columns in the tables gives the rating for each class. An entry with "NR" (or something else other than a numerical value) hasn't been rated yet. Thanks again. —Sledged (talk) 11:08, 29 June 2007 (MDT)


hey, this is Carey Ruff, and i really love dnd wiki! (so does my friend, but hes shy.) anyhoo, the one thing i don't like is the npc generator thingumy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carey Ruff (talkcontribs) 2007-07-19 17:32:26. Please sign your posts.

Aside from it's complexity, what specifically do you not like about it? —Sledged (talk) 13:22, 26 July 2007 (MDT)

Barnstar: Template Fu[edit]

It's time for another barnstar!

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I give this barnstar to Sledge for his Wiki-Fu Grandmastery in implementing templates.--Dmilewski 17:58, 16 August 2007 (MDT)

Anti-Vandal Barnstar[edit]

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I give you this Anti-Vandal Barnstar for reverting spam edits on 3.5e Other about 13 minutes after the spammer, IP attacked. Thanks for the good and fast response. --Green Dragon 11:53, 3 September 2007 (MDT)

Interesting Monster...[edit]

Dear sir,

I am trying to add to your Jabberwock creature (it's fun to see something from good literature). I hope you don't mind the changes I made. I'm trying to make a tie-in with the Wiki in general by making it an extraplanar creature from the Land of Nonsense. Since you brought the Jabberwock on the Wiki, do you object to this in any way? I do not wish to screw up your Jabberwock (or Lewis Carrol, for that matter) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sir Milo Teabag (talkcontribs) 21:22, 12 October 2007 (MDT). Please sign your posts.

I don't mind the additions. The more details, the better. Besides, if I didn't want anyone modifying it, I wouldn't have put it on a wiki. —Sledged (talk) 16:54, 17 October 2007 (MDT)

Thanks for the DLP Updates[edit]

Thanks for the big slew of DPL updates. LOOKING GOOD! --Dmilewski 19:00, 28 November 2007 (MST)

My pleasure. I've been itching to do something about all the "S" headers for the SRD lists. —Sledged (talk) 11:39, 29 November 2007 (MST)

Your Block[edit]

Wow, sorry about blocking you, and I would like to apologize and explain myself. As I was looking at RC (with "Hide Patrolled" selected where blocks, user creations, etc do not show) I came across the edits today where you were reverting some spam. And, as normal, I clicked "Block", once I was on the page where you reverted the edits to make sure you had blocked the IP after it had made it's attack. Unfortunately I must have clicked the "Block" above your username rather than the IP address's... So, I blocked you instead... I am very sorry, and I hope it was not too much of an inconvenience. --Green Dragon 20:55, 5 December 2007 (MST)

Thanks for the explanation. I was just afraid I had inadvertently done something reproachable. Glad to know all is well. At first, I was worried that I had blocked myself instead of the intended IP address. (I can see myself doing that.) —Sledged (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2007 (MST)
Luckily, no, you did not do anything bad :). Also, sorry again. --Green Dragon 19:40, 6 December 2007 (MST)

A question too specified for the Discussion...[edit]

What the heck is a schema? The only description I've heard of it is that it's some sort of reuseable scroll. Is this definition accurate? --Sir Milo Teabag 15:47, 28 December 2007 (MST)

Nothing comes to mind, but "schema" is a broad term. I'd have to see the context in which it's used to figure out what it means. —Sledged (talk) 22:43, 28 December 2007 (MST)
There's a feat in some Eberron book called "Craft Minor Schema". Although I don't have the book, I have heard of the feat. --Sir Milo Teabag 08:34, 4 January 2008 (MST)
"Etch Schema" in Magic of Eberron. I'll look it up when I get a chance. —Sledged (talk) 13:11, 4 January 2008 (MST)
"Re-usable scroll" is fairly accurate. It's untyped magic (neither arcane nor divine) that can be used by anyone with the spell in question on their spell list. —Sledged (talk) 14:41, 6 January 2008 (MST)

Namespace for Publications[edit]

You seem to remember where some of the more obscure discussions have taken place (for example the discussions about D&D Wiki in Wikiworld) so I have a question. Do you remember where the discussion is about publications and how we want to treat them? It talked about namespaces of publications and some other things... Thanks for your time. --Green Dragon 14:11, 18 January 2008 (MST)

I believe this? is the discussion for which you're looking. —Sledged (talk) 14:26, 18 January 2008 (MST)
No... I don't think so... I don't think I worded the question that well above, so hopefully this will help. The discussion dealt with publications and how we were going to treat them on D&D Wiki. Having a list of all publications and linking them from the Main Page was mentioned, I believe. Also the namespace of publications was discussed. WotC, Publication, and more namespaces were discussed until I think one was vaguely decided on, which was thought up by you, if I remember correctly. --Green Dragon 15:16, 18 January 2008 (MST)
Then perhaps it was this discussion? —Sledged (talk) 15:18, 18 January 2008 (MST)
Exactly! Thank you so much!! --Green Dragon 15:27, 18 January 2008 (MST)


All the L3 headers are no longer bold; they just have a line under them... --Green Dragon 14:36, 30 January 2008 (MST)

I changed the L3s and L4s so that they can be distinguished from each other at a casual glance. At the L3's new size, the bold text was a bit too much. I figured this is probably why the mediawiki developers never made the L1s and L2s bold, so I put a border under it. Unfortunately, if the border goes all the way across the page, it makes it difficult to distinguish from the L2s. I had meant to do this change back in November, but it wasn't until I tried to demo the DnD Base Class Infobox that I realized the change didn't take. —Sledged (talk) 14:45, 30 January 2008 (MST)
It's growing on me :). --Green Dragon 09:17, 4 February 2008 (MST)


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I give you this Barnstar for designing and helping to implement the current Rating System. Thanks. --Green Dragon 23:36, 27 February 2008 (MST)

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I give you this Barnstar for making all the classes on D&D Wiki use the new dpl2. Thanks for your help. --Green Dragon 23:36, 27 February 2008 (MST)

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I give you this Barnstar for your work transcribing the Unearthed Arcana Races section! -- OptimizationFanatic 19:36, 2 May 2008 (MDT)

Grammar Changes[edit]

You may be interested to read some comments I made on the Spider Rider PrC talk page. They are related to your "Standards and Formatting guide, you may wish to include similar suggestions in the guide. Thanks for your time.--Othtim 18:23, 9 March 2008 (MDT)

Good deal. I'll add them. If there's anything else you feel should be include, feel free to add them to the page. —Sledged (talk) 20:34, 9 March 2008 (MDT)

The Archon[edit]

Thanks for editing.--Hatman 09:35, 20 March 2008 (MDT)

I like lots of your ideas[edit]

Especialy the monkey and the admin NPC's.--Hatman 14:37, 8 May 2008 (MDT)

Thanks. If I could only get around to fleshing them out. —Sledged (talk) 15:23, 8 May 2008 (MDT)
Maybe you should ask them what kind of characters they like to play. That would be a good place to start, maybe. I tried this with my friends before, but I couldnt go through with it because they were telling me about all kinds of races, classes, variant rules, and weird items. It got so complicated I just had to end it with mine, that I later got rid of. Sledged, you have inspiered me to try again. The monkey should be easy though.--Hatman 14:30, 9 May 2008 (MDT)
you should make Green Dragon a half-gold dragon :) --Jack Bread 15:33, 21 July 2008 (MDT)


i keep forgeting to add DnD wiki to my favorites list so everytime i search "dand wiki" on yahoo, the only result for this wiki on it is your talk page :D --Jack Bread 15:32, 21 July 2008 (MDT)

I believe that if you try to search for the actual name of this site, D&D Wiki, it should pop right up. --Green Dragon 15:47, 21 July 2008 (MDT)


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This goes for a billion anti-vandal things I've seen Sledged do, more recently he revert several objectionable edits to the Chuck Norris deity page (not the first time either I think). --Aarnott 11:22, 22 July 2008 (MDT)

Help on template:4e Power[edit]

Alrighty, I've been working on the 4e Power template thanks to the bit of help you gave me before, so I've decided to come to you this time for some help. I'm trying to get the #if and #ifeq 'thing-its' to work right. I have the background of the first section of the table to be colored according to the information in the paramater {{{aed}}}. I have a hell of a feeling I've got something wrong, mainly because putting either Daily, Encounter, or At-Will don't change it at all, but I can't really determine what. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Taritus (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts.

If you need any template help, I can also help you. In my opinion, templates should use words for their parameters. {{{aed}}} is not very descriptive. Just write on my talk page if you need help. To use the parser functions such as #if you should read: [1]. --Aarnott 20:21, 31 July 2008 (MDT)
Thanks for the couple of fixes there. Working on changing the parameter names.--Taritus 12:45, 1 August 2008 (MDT)

Woot, Templates[edit]

So, I just finished the template:4e Magic Item. Mind looking over it and making sure there are no problems?--Taritus 18:28, 21 August 2008 (MDT)

Template woes...[edit]

Hey Sledged. I can't seem to get rid of the trailing newline in User:Aarnott/Table Link. I want to use it as a template for the links in my User Page tables (so that I can change the color on the fly and such). Any ideas on how I can stop this problem from happening? --Aarnott 18:18, 8 October 2008 (MDT)

You're not going to get rid of the trailing newline. It's hard-coded in MW that any page with content ends with a newline character. Anyway, since you used the onlyinclude tag, it shouldn't matter that there's a newline character since it's not within the onlyinclude tags. —Sledged (talk) 18:24, 8 October 2008 (MDT)

Another noob asking for tech support[edit]

As you'll see at User:Hooper/ValgoraTemplate I'm trying to create a bottom categorized navbox (this particular one for all the pages of my homebrew campaign, but one that can be used for anyone [see: Template:Navbox ]), but I'm having extreme difficulty figuring out where I'm going wrong. Its mostly a copy-paste job from wiki if that helps at all.

And a sub-question, on a page I'm working on now I'm hoping to insert a standard row/column table. Is there already a template for such a table or a good page I can steal the code from and customize for the new page purposes? Thanks.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   14:58, 14 November 2008 (MST)

Paragon Path[edit]

I hope you don't mind but I just started on creating a paragon path for your elementalist class but I have no idea how to use the wiki formatting so please if you feel so inclined to try and help me please do so and if you don't want me making something based off of your class just say so on me talk and Ill remove it.



I see you found where I cleaned up the broken/double redirects. Sorry for the workload. But it looks alot better now. Thanks.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   15:12, 26 December 2008 (MST)

See Also[edit]

See also And, if you have some spare time, could you possibly log into the tavern? --Green Dragon 15:16, 20 March 2009 (MDT)


I'd like to label you as an admin with the [[Template:AdminBadge]] on your user page. If you have a reason you don't think you should have the badge or you don't think the badge is a good idea, please discuss it on the badge's discussion. -Valentine the Rogue 16:07, 11 April 2009 (MDT)

Anti-Vandal Barnstar[edit]

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For reverting spam on many deleted pages and overall helping keep D&D Wiki clean from vandals' work throughout the last couple of days, I give you this Barnstar. Thanks for your help. --Green Dragon 22:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Protecting a Page[edit]

I just notice you were on, I've been waiting for an admin to log in all day. I have been reverting the same spam edits, by the same IP all day since this morning. I've reverted spam on that same page 40 times already, please protect the page and block the IP! --Vrail 20:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


Considering your standing in the community, I feel silly asking, but I'd be remiss not to. So, do you have any idea as to why an IP would accuse you of stealing someone else's work? Was this just someone who had some misunderstanding as to the copyright status of the name? I know there was some concern, as mentioned on the monster's talk page. --Badger 13:05, 20 October 2010 (MDT)

I can think of a number of reasons.
  • Though the statistical work is my own, it's based on the 1E and 2E AD&D versions. It's my take on a 3.5 version.
  • The descriptive text might be a different issue. I'm know most of it is my own wording, but some of it might be verbatim from older the editions. If it is, the IP may have taken exception to that.
  • Another possibility is that this version was copied to another wiki. I have found some of my work on other wikis exactly as they are here. Usually it's the templates, formatting, and such, not so much gaming material. But if the IP saw it somewhere else first, then saw it here, (s)he might assume it had been stolen from the other site.
  • The name might be trademarked, and I should probably note from where the name.
  • The Tome of Horrors has it's own 3(.5) version of the ogrillon (which is OGC), but it's statistically different. But without comparing the stats, an IP might think I copied it from there.
Sledged (talk) 14:26, 20 October 2010 (MDT)

i am sorry for deleting your stuff i was childish i should not have done it. you and i have made completely different versions of the race i had no right to do what i did. and again i am sorry

Helpers Page[edit]

I am attempting to implement a "Helpers" page to assist users with their problems. If you would like to help other users with wiki problems, simply add all of the following categories that you feel that you could assist in to your User Page. The Categories available are: [[Category:3.5e Balancing Helper]], [[Category:4e Balancing Helper]], [[Category:Proofreader Helper]], [[Category:Flavor Helper]], and [[Category:General Helper]]. If you choose to put one of the above categories, please also add [[Category:Helper]] as well. Thank you, Salasay Δ 13:44, 5 February 2013 (MST)


Hey Sledged, would it be alright to delete your subuserpage User:Sledged/Atonement? I see it as redundant since 3e SRD:Atonement is a page that exists now. If not, could you please edit that page so that it no longer has any categories? This is to stop it from showing up on the 3e SRD DPLs. Thanks! — Geodude Chatmod.png (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 19:47, 10 October 2019 (MDT)

Not a problem. It was there solely for prototyping. It's purpose has been served. —Sledged (talk) 08:39, 15 October 2019 (MDT)

Upsetting Article[edit]

Hello Sledged,

I am writing you concerning the following article:

It was brought to my attention after one of my fellow players was looking for information regarding her race in DnD, she had stumbled onto this article believing it to be the official class. We’ve all made this mistake at least once, we’re not concerned with her not recognizing this wiki’s purpose. Instead we (her entire DnD group) were appalled with the content of this page. This race is written with an inherent sexist bias that is unrealistic and harmful. It isn’t super clear on your Warning Policy page if this sort of speech is accepted.

Here are a few of the upsetting ideals written into this race:

“Hence, the lizardfolk have inferior endurance, especially the females, who have even more serious problems metabolizing lactic acid. In a long fight, a lizardfolk will tire faster than a human and will probably retreat if the fight isn't won in a couple of minutes.”

“An average male requires an average of 8 hours of sleep, while a female requires an average of 10 hours of sleep, although many females prefer to sleep for 12 hours.”

"Without exception, within the same species, male lizardfolk are larger, heavier, stronger, faster, more durable, more resistant to pain, fatigue and sickness, and less easily tired than female lizardfolk. Additionally, male lizardfolk have higher average intelligence and are wiser than female lizardfolk. This is due to the need for the males to do the hunting and fighting for the tribe. Additionally, male lizardfolk naturally live longer than females, but the habits of war and violence tend to equalize their lifespans with the females. In no case does a female lizardfolk ever control a tribe, clan, or village; the purpose of the female lizardfolk consorts is to make heirs, not to rule. If a chief were to die and a daughter or wife was his only relative, then the strongest males would fight to see which one of them was the strongest, and the winner would become the new chief.

It should be obvious that male lizardfolk are excellent front line soldiers. With more strength and constitution than an average human, they ought to make great fighters. At home, they are excellent hunters and fishers, and can apply their hunting skills to aid whatever party of adventurers they may join. The males can also make skilled rangers.

Female lizardfolk are often unable to take care of themselves, as they aren't very good at competing with males for hunting or fishing grounds; the very few that have ever tried have been outclassed in every way. As a result, they have to find a mate or else depend on male relatives. In isolation, a female lizardfolk actually would be able to do some hunting or fishing, but even the least competition from a male will be enough to see her outdone. Female lizardfolk are more flexible than their male counterparts, but not nearly so much so that they would get any bonus to dexterity because of it.

For game purposes, to get the stats of a female lizardfolk, first calculate the stats normally for the male, and then factor in the following:

-4 strength, -4 constitution, -2 intelligence, -2 wisdom. Female lizardfolk also only have +2 natural armor instead of the male +5 natural armor (in common lizardfolk, but in no case do females have more than, or as much natural armor as the males, no matter the species.) Females can only hold their breath for only three times its constitution score before drowning (instead of 4X for the male.) Females by necessity, are supposed to lay eggs and raise children, thus ensuring the continued survival of the race. Biologically, this necessitates certain physiological adjustments that may impede the females from combat, but in no way reduce their value to the race; in fact, their value actually increases in some ways because they can lay eggs. Lizardfolk females are acutely aware of this, and very few females will live their lives without reproducing.

In comparison to a human, a typical female lizardfolk has -2 strength, constitution, wisdom, and -4 intelligence (minimum of 3). In an adventuring party, this can prove to be quite a problem. Being neither good at combat nor skilled in magic, the female lizardfolk would at first glance appear to be a liability for any party. However, this weakness can be turned into a strength... of a sort. Having little combat proficiency frees the female lizardfolk PCs from having to develop such skills, enabling them to class as bards and rogues and develop other skills. With little need to give them fighting skills, one can develop a female character's non-combat skills, and use them to the party's advantage. Female Paludian lizardfolk bards receive a +2 charisma bonus upon entering that class and lose it when leaving it. This reflects the exotic, eye-catching nature of the females; this is only able to be exploited by a class which requires the female to be looked at and paid attention to. For a female fighter or paladin, appearance and grace matter less, and the rest of the world knows it, so only the bard would logically receive a bonus for being eye-catching in a performance. Skills for the female lizardfolk that are worth focusing on include Balance, Diplomacy, Disguise, Escape Artist, Gather information, Move Silently,Open Lock, Perform, and Sleight of hand. Chances are, one can easily fit an exotic, alluring female lizardfolk into a party, especially if one's party needs someone agile and charismatic (while there is no particular bonus for dexterity, it ought to be focused on in order to make the PC worthwhile.) These can be good PCs because they can excel in certain niche roles that a party might need from time to time, such as having to send someone to balance on a narrow plank in order to get an item, or having to sneak through a dark room.

During the prime mating season (spring, roughly 1/4 of the year), females receive a special +4 modifier to certain charisma checks to represent the release of pheromones and their greater desire to mate (though females always wish to mate more than the males do, but even more so during mating season), but it wears off after the season ends. In the wider world, female lizardfolk are considered to be rare, exotic and eye-catching, whereas the ferocious males simply intimidate and frighten others. Hence, the outside observer can see a dichotomy between the two roles of the lizardfolk sexes; male strength vs female exoticness.

There is one native Paludian class which allows female lizardfolk to circumvent some of their disadvantages, that of the Hierodule, a divine casting class with no offensive capability. The education required for this class enables the females to avoid the -2 intelligence and -2 wisdom penalty, and this will apply only for the female if her first class is that of Heirodule. For no other class does the training for being a Heirodule apply, so if the female should switch classes, the penalties to intelligence and wisdom apply."

“Like all other species of lizardfolk, the males are much heavier, larger, stronger, and more durable in every way than the females, who only weigh between 90-120 pounds (on average), are at least a foot shorter, are nowhere near as strong, and have softer skin, weaker bones, and less resistance to pain, fatigue, and injury. The females also have a lesser capacity for logic and reason, being creatures of hormones, feelings, and passions. The common lizardfolk are the most numerous type of in Paludia, forming a plurality of the entire lizardfolk population in Paludia.”

I understand the desire to create races that mimic animals and cultures but no animal puts this strong of a disadvantage on all females. This article appears to be written with a ridiculous amount of harmful language and ideals towards females. It explicitly states that women of this race are useless for all things other than mating, it frequently uses the problematic work “exotic” and only gives women any use if they are used as a sex object as a bard and any advantage they get from that goes away if they leave the party. I’m not sure if the class started this way or was added later. Regardless, it seems inappropriate to have an article like this for a game that should be about inclusion and acceptance.

I am posting this for all of the moderators so the article can be reviewed. I understand if this isn’t found to be against your community guidelines but please do consider the harm this type of article might impose on someone who might be quick to make parallels with human females or young females who might believe this about themselves.

Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ConcernedViewer (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts.

I've handled this. — Geodude Chatmod.png (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 21:36, 3 December 2020 (MST)
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