User talk:Sledged/Archive 2

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New Link Colors

I am not against the idea of having different colors for links, but I believe that the current color does not separate the text from the links as much as it should. If you can think of an alternative to try, I think it would be great. --Blue Dragon 15:24, 5 November 2006 (MST)

I agree, I do not like the links current color choice. --Green Dragon 16:22, 5 November 2006 (MST)

I didn't realize my changes to User:Sledged/sledged.css were visible to anyone but me. I didn't even run the skin updater. I was trying to change the colors for myself only, and use the wiki for a few days with the new colors. Any colors I liked would have been presented to everyone else as an option. —Sledged 16:48, 5 November 2006 (MST)

Sorry about that, I guess that this would then be my fault. I was building a script that would automatically update the skin when you changed your file, and I realized that they were different. I ran the skin updater then to "fix the problem". Sorry for that, the program is now complete and it should not happen again. (The program is not active). I will set the skin back to what it was before. --Blue Dragon 16:55, 5 November 2006 (MST)

Colossal Swordsman refurb

I just greatly concise my colossal swordsman build and added your (even more succinct) post from the discussion page, "Why This Build Breaks Down". I hope you don't mind. The page I'm talking about is here: Colossal Swordsman (DnD Character Optimization) --Voxen 23:48, 28 November 2006 (MST)

I don't mind at all, and if you're still looking for a way to make the page easier to read, I've put together a preload for copying and pasting specifically for writing up character optimizations. See the war hulking hurler for an example. —Sledged 16:28, 29 November 2006 (MST)

Rating the PrC's

I know your dormant, but..... D&D Wiki has quite a bit of Prestige Classes, with only two having been rated on D&D Wiki's rating scale. So, on a small mission to try to get ratings of PrC's done, I would like you to help. All you would have to do is go to DnD Classes then to any PrC page. Click on the PrC you would like to rate; then rate its balance by clicking on the "here" in the Please, help D&D Wiki by rating the balance of this item here. I hope you can take the time to help D&D Wiki become a useful tool for every visitor that comes here; and thanks in advance. --Green Dragon 22:33, 29 November 2006 (MST)

New SRD Landing Page is Up

I plopped the new SRD landing page in this morning. Thanks a zillion. The new page looks great. --Dmilewski 07:46, 20 December 2006 (MST)

Anti-Vandal Barnstar

Here is the Anti-Vandal Barnstar... Thanks.

	Anti-Vandal Barnstar
	When vandals show up Sledged is always their to stop them, one click ahead of me. Thanks so much for removing spam from my userpage, and my user-talk page, you have been a great help. --Green Dragon 16:23, 20 December 2006 (MST)

Always my pleasure. I'm almost ashamed to admit I find many of the vandalizations amusing in themselves. —Sledged 17:51, 20 December 2006 (MST)

It's interesting to see what some spammers post.. Kinda weird to think what is going though their heads... Anyway, thanks again. --Green Dragon 17:58, 20 December 2006 (MST)

I just noticed your edit where you changed my "their" to there", sorry for that, but I can never get the "Their" "There" and "They're" right. thanks for fixing it for me. --Green Dragon 15:28, 4 January 2007 (MST)

Common mistake many make, but I can't take credit for that. Calidore Chase was the one who caught the error. —Sledged 13:23, 5 January 2007 (MST)

Okay, thats why one shouldn't use the Javascript version of recent changes... Sorry about that. In the Javascript version all the edits on a certain page are clumped together and it does not tell who did which edit (only the last), so since it was Sledged's user-page I assumed it was him without spending the time to double chack. Sorry. Anyway, thanks Calidore Chase for doing that. --Green Dragon 15:51, 5 January 2007 (MST)

Not a problem, I often do the same thing. --Calidore Chase 05:36, 6 January 2007 (MST)

Do you use the Javascript version of recent changes (activated in user-preferences)? --Green Dragon 14:46, 6 January 2007 (MST)

NPCs Based on the Admins of The D&D Wiki

This would be interesting... --Green Dragon 23:51, 21 December 2006 (MST)

Here's my first installment: Sledged (DnD NPC). —Sledged 20:17, 22 December 2006 (MST)

Wow, I am amazingly impressed. This is good, and funny. I guess Caer Wyrmshold is D&D Wiki :), and the wikiworld setting is D&D in general? This is interesting, and I like the subtle references to things that happen on D&D Wiki. An admin will get what it really means, a normal user might, and a random visitor will not understand the subtle innuendos. Very clever and thoughtful. Good job. --Green Dragon 23:57, 22 December 2006 (MST)

Of course now I have to flesh out Caer Wyrmshold, Vandal Dæmons(Vandal Dæmon (DnD Creature)), you as an NPC(Green Dragon (DnD NPC)), and the item that grants Sledged "admin privileges" in the library. —Sledged 13:59, 23 December 2006 (MST)

Yup... I hope they are as good as Sledged.

The vandal dæmon(Vandal Dæmon (DnD Creature)) has been started, but the description still needs to fleshed out a bit more. —Sledged 14:24, 27 December 2006 (MST)

For some reason I don't like it quite as much as Sledged... I think it is to... realistic... and does not really have many subtle references to things that go on in D&D Wiki. However, I would bet that the descriptions will fix it up and make it better. To early to call. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Green Dragon (talk • contribs) 2006-12-27 17:59:49. Please sign your posts.

Made a change to the dæmon(Vandal Dæmon (DnD Creature))'s alternate form ability, and added some more descriptive text. —Sledged 14:36, 24 January 2007 (MST)

Wow... It made it a lot more funny... I was laughing as I read it to myself. Good job, it is much better. --Green Dragon 21:04, 24 January 2007 (MST)

By the way, what do you think of the navigation directory at the top and bottom of the page? Toss or keep? —Sledged 14:04, 23 December 2006 (MST)

I don't know... D&D Wiki as a community really needs to lay down the correct "Back to" footer. Your "Back to" footer is smaller, harder to read, but can fit more links and looks better. Finally, little problems such as how it looks should be standardized. For example which is correct? [[DnD Races]] or [[DnD Races|Races]]? All these problems need to be resolved, and a standard needs to be set. --Green Dragon 19:27, 23 December 2006 (MST)

I find the "DnD" part redundant because it's always preceded by "Dungeons and Dragons," and if it's removed, more links can fit before it gets wrapped. You can free up more space by putting in a line break after "Back to" or removing it altogether.

Back to:

Main Page > Dungeons and Dragons > NPCs > Sledged

—Sledged 14:50, 26 December 2006 (MST)

Agreed. Their should be no DnD... As soon as we get all the ideas together we can begin to implement them. So, another question: Which do you prefer -> or >, and why? --Green Dragon 23:46, 26 December 2006 (MST)

I prefer an angle bracket without the dash, because the dash's alignment with respect to the angle bracket is off just enough to be annoying. —Sledged 12:06, 27 December 2006 (MST)

Agreed, no more ->. So, now should the Back to be on the same line as the links, or should it be a line above? --Green Dragon 16:59, 27 December 2006 (MST)

My preference is to have on the line above. —Sledged 07:58, 28 December 2006 (MST)

Back to:

Main Page > Dungeons and Dragons > NPCs > Sledged

or....

Back to: Main Page > Dungeons and Dragons > NPCs > Sledged

Im kind of going for the Back to on the same line, it takes less space and I think it looks better... The reason I like it on the same line is because they seem part of a group, and with them being on the line above it almost seems as if its not really important, and because of the colors, people will not pay attention to where it says "Back to". --Green Dragon 14:22, 1 January 2007 (MST)

Okay, I looked at a couple of websites that would be most likely to spend large sums of money on usability (Walmart, Amazon, Yahoo! Shopping, Target, McDonald's, and Netflix). Among the sites that had a link directory (for lack of a better term), they all had two things in common: It was always at the top of the page, and it always included the current page. Some didn't bother to put any other text adjacent to the link directory to identify what it was. Those that did used the text "You are here:" (Yahoo! used all caps in a bold gray font), and the text was on the same line as the links. Some used the normal font size, others used a smaller font size.

Based on these observations I recommend having a "You are here:" at the top, using smaller font with the "You are here:" on the same line, and have the navigation include the current page:

You are here: Main Page > Dungeons and Dragons > NPCs > Sledged

...and a "Back to:" at the bottom, in normal font, with the text on the same line, with the current page omitted:

Back to: Main Page > Dungeons and Dragons > NPCs

—Sledged 11:13, 4 January 2007 (MST)

I disagree. I think we should just have one per page, on the top only. An idea for the top one is below:

You are here: Main Page > Dungeons and Dragons > NPCs > Sledged

What do you think of only one per page, and the looks of my above version (with the "You are here" being bold)? --Green Dragon 15:24, 4 January 2007 (MST)

Part of the reason I originally suggested having one at the top is because I utilize the "Back to" navigation from time to time, especially when I arrive at a page from outside the "Back to" hierarchy. The problem it that with large pages it's annoying having to scroll all the way to the bottom. If there's only one at the top, then when you follow a link that takes you to the bottom of a page (like so), you have the same problem but in reverse. —Sledged 08:14, 5 January 2007 (MST)

Okay, we will have it on top and bottom. Now, what about the look? --Green Dragon 15:49, 5 January 2007 (MST)

I think bolding "Back to" and "You are here" works well. How do you feel about using smaller font for the one at the top? —Sledged 13:32, 7 January 2007 (MST)

I don't like it. I say make the bottom and the top one the same size. Also, should the "You are Here" be on the same line as the links or the line above? BTW, I also think both the bottom and top "You are here" bars should say the same thing -> "You are here" and one not saying "Back to". Also, should the current page be linked to (making it bold) or should it not be in the links (the current method)? Finally, should a template be made or the actual <div class> be present? --Green Dragon 14:02, 7 January 2007 (MST)

Put the "You are here:" on the same line, have it include the current page (wiki-linked bold) and for now just use a <div class> (because I've got another "Idea I'm Kicking Around in My Head"). —Sledged 21:22, 7 January 2007 (MST)

Is this the kind of idea we should wait for, or will it not effect the "Back to" bar? If it will make work that is done now worthless we should wait, will it do that? --Green Dragon 21:37, 7 January 2007 (MST)

"Wait for" kinda thing. The idea is this: In a page you have a tag that like so:

<dir>
parent=DnD NPCs
</dir>

"parent" would, of course, specify the current page's parent page. The custom extension would look up the parent page to see if it also has <dir> tag with a "parent" parameter. This process would be repeated until it hit a page that didn't have "parent" parameter, lacked <dir> tag, hit a maximum number of lookups, or hit a page that was already a part of the directory. Then it would take every page in the chain and create a "You are here" directory on the current page.

From here, you just include other parameters to customize the look of the directory.

<dir>
label=Sledged
parent=DnD NPCs
delim=>
style=border: none; line-height: 1em;
</dir>

—Sledged 15:51, 8 January 2007 (MST)

Okay, I will just wait until this is done (with the extension) to help implement it. --Green Dragon 16:45, 8 January 2007 (MST)

Heh, I like the concept. It got my mind churning. I've got to work on a "totally oblivious" special ability for myself. --Xenophon 16:25, 23 December 2006 (MST)

Would be interesting, but I'd have to take Xenophon's idea for that... I'm totally oblivious... --Pz.Az.04Maus 19:38, 23 December 2006 (MST)

On Wolfen Fenrison.

I have a few ideas about Wolfen Fenrison... How about he always hangs out in the largest pub in the wikiworld, called The Wizards Pub (Wizards.com), and the only way for Caer Wyrmsholds librarians to contact him is by going to this pub and asking him to look at something in Caer Wyrmshold. He is the kind of person that really gets into something then quits it, however he has always been a normal visitor at The Wizards Pub. The only reason he became a librarian at Caer Wyrmsholds was because of his enthusiasm, and now he is known as a average drunk and very little help to Caer Wyrmshold. However, Wolfen Fenrison is always ready for hire, just stop by The Wizards Pub and one is sure to find him their, looking for a few spare coins to help pay for his next ale. Anyway, does this help and is this kind of realistic to Wolfen Fenrison? What are your ideas for Wolfen Fenrison? Does a pub work for Wizards.com? --Green Dragon 23:59, 26 December 2006 (MST)

Sounds good to me. Don't know Wolfen Fenrison well enough to say if it fits him or not, but I say go with it. In fact he's the best authority on the subject of Wolfen Fenrison (DnD NPC), and if he wants to change the details of the NPC, he should. My only recommendation is that with a name like that, I suggest making him a werewolf (or a wolfwere). —Sledged 12:59, 27 December 2006 (MST)

Werewolf would work. Do you think it is okay to have Wizards.com be a pub? --Green Dragon 16:59, 27 December 2006 (MST)

Sounds appropriate to me. It is a social gathering place. —Sledged 08:22, 30 December 2006 (MST)

Weapon Price Calculator

Hello Sledged. I have noticed that a recent idea that you have been kicking around in your head is a price calculator for weapons or equipment. If you are serious about this, then I would be more than happy to program a back-end application that would fit nicely into the wiki environment doing exactly that. Come up with some plans, and let me know what you want to do. --Blue Dragon 22:18, 29 December 2006 (MST)

Yes, the idea spawned itself from this discussion with Dmilewski. The SRD has (almost) all the rules for calculating the price of any weapon of any size made from any material with any magical/psionic enhancements. Things get messy when you start throwing epic enhancements, double weapons, weapons made from multiple materials, and so forth. Also, being able to calculate the weapon's hardness and hit points would be handy. —Sledged 00:09, 30 December 2006 (MST)

Could you help?

Recently Blue Dragon made another wiki, the d20 Modern section of D&D Wiki into its own wiki, and, before implementing this, we would like it to have its own look and feel. Because you designed the D&D Wiki skin, and are rather good with colors and skins, would you mind designing a skin (and d20 table, etc) for this wiki? The wiki right now is located at d20m:Main_Page, and we will implement it as soon as we can get more interwiki-things, a new (real) skin, and overall a d20 Modern looking Wiki. --Green Dragon 00:09, 1 January 2007 (MST)

I'll see what I can do, but it'll be a while before I have anything to show. —Sledged 12:56, 1 January 2007 (MST)

Okay. --Green Dragon 14:15, 1 January 2007 (MST)

Any progress, or is this on the back burner? --Blue Dragon 14:38, 12 February 2007 (MST)

Still on back-burner. I'm gonna have to give myself a deadline, otherwise, there's no telling when I'll get to it. —Sledged (talk) 14:51, 12 February 2007 (MST)

Rating the Staffmage

Hello. I was just wondering if you would mind rating the Staffmage I just recently edited. All I want to see is how balanced I made it... If you could do this I would be very happy, thanks. --Green Dragon 22:51, 4 January 2007 (MST)

Another question, would you mind rating the Ghost Monk? --Green Dragon 23:50, 10 January 2007 (MST)

Barnstar

	Barnstar
	Sledged, thanks for making D&D Wiki a site where adding information is easy to do. Sledged recently found out about and implemented the "preload=" function in all of the "Add your ___ to D&D Wiki by..." pages. Thanks Sledged, this will help D&D Wiki for a while to come, and greatly increase the amount of material that is added to D&D Wiki. --Green Dragon 16:00, 5 January 2007 (MST)

Finally someone has made a more workable version of all the "Add something to D&D Wiki", and doing this deserves a barnstar. So, here one is.

Yay! The rest just need to be filled out all the other "Add your..." pages. —Sledged 16:04, 5 January 2007 (MST)

Yup. I hope you do as good as a job on all of them. Thanks again for finding this out. --Green Dragon 17:32, 5 January 2007 (MST)

Mostly done. Just have to put a preload together for powers, epic spells, and epic powers. —Sledged (talk) 11:56, 28 February 2007 (MST)

MOI

Thanks for the MOI stuff... ^_^--Pz.Az.04Maus 19:14, 5 January 2007 (MST)

You're welcome! —Sledged 13:16, 7 January 2007 (MST)

Patrolling

Are you patrolling your edits? I am asking because when I press "Hide Patrolled" your edits no longer show up, even if I have not patrolled them. --Green Dragon 12:53, 12 January 2007 (MST)

Yes, I usually add any page I touch to my watchlist. —Sledged 13:16, 12 January 2007 (MST)

Thats not what I'm talking about... I think the problem is the new version of Mediawiki. I think it auto-partolls all admin edits... I will have to ask Blue Dragon about this, sorry for taking up your time. --Green Dragon 13:25, 12 January 2007 (MST)

New Materials

We've got some new materials, and folks think it would be good to add them to the Weapon Templates. I presume that this means the DnD user weapons. We really can't add the new materials to the SRD weapons. See User Mundane Materials. --Dmilewski 20:04, 16 January 2007 (MST)

Why can we not add them to the SRD Weapons? --Green Dragon 22:52, 16 January 2007 (MST)

License confusion. I am very wary of incorporating custom material into the SRD. It's safest to leave the SRD as itself (with some edits). --Dmilewski 07:09, 17 January 2007 (MST)

How about an addendum to the bottom with a secondary chart for the new materials? Put a note above the new materials chart to indicate that it is not part of the srd, but is applicable to the item. --Calidore Chase 08:26, 17 January 2007 (MST)

I'm with Dmilewski. I'd rather not have any non-SRD material in the SRD even if it is identified as non-SRD. What could be done instead is to have a table of all the SRD weapons with the new materials applied to them included in the new material's page. —Sledged 09:51, 17 January 2007 (MST)

That's my thinking. --Dmilewski 12:52, 17 January 2007 (MST)

Fair enough. That seems like an excellent course of action. --Calidore Chase 13:32, 17 January 2007 (MST)

That is a good idea... Just make a table and everything will be solved :). --Green Dragon 15:28, 17 January 2007 (MST)

Template's almost ready. Here are the weapon abbreviations that will be used to populate the table:

• bol = bolas
• bolt = bolts
• bolr = bolts, repeating
• arr = arrows
• axeb = battleaxe
• axed = axe, orc double
• axeg = greataxe
• axeh = handaxe
• axet = axe, throwing
• axew = waraxe, dwarven
• bowl = longbow
• bowlc = longbow, composite
• bows = shortbow
• bowsc = shortbow, composite
• bul = bullets, sling
• cha = chain, spiked
• clu = club
• clug = greatclub
• croh = crossbow, heavy
• croha = crossbow, hand
• crol = crossbow, light
• crorh = crossbow, heavy repeating
• crorl = crossbow, light repeating
• dag = dagger
• dagp = dagger, punching
• dar = dart
• fal = falchion
• fla = flail
• flad = flail, dire
• flah = flail, heavy
• gau = gauntlet
• gaus = gauntlet, spiked
• gla = glaive
• gui = guisarme
• hal = halberd
• hamh = hammer, gnome hooked
• haml = hammer, light
• hamw = warhammer
• jav = javelin
• kam = kama
• kuk = kukri
• lan = lance
• mach = mace, heavy
• macl = mace, light
• mor = morning star
• net = net
• nun = nunchaku
• pich = pick, heavy
• picl = pick, light
• qua = quarterstaff
• ran = ranseur
• rap = rapier
• sai = sai
• sap = sap
• sci = scimitar
• scy = scythe
• shu = shuriken
• sia = siangham
• sic = sickle
• sli = sling
• spe = spear
• spes = shortspear
• spel = longspear
• swob = sword, bastard
• swog = greatsword
• swol = longsword
• swos = shortsword
• swot = sword, two-bladed
• tri = trident
• urg = urgrosh, dwarven
• whi = whip

In order to specify cost, hardness, and hit points the following abbreviations are appended to the weapon abbreviation:

• cost
• hard
• hp

Example: To specify the stats of a bronze(Bronze (3.5e Equipment)) longsword, you would have the following:

|swolcost = 3 gp
|swolhard = 8
|swolhp = 3

Any suggestions, objections, or other comments? —Sledged 13:13, 26 January 2007 (MST)

A long as its workable and readable, I'm for it.--Dmilewski 13:40, 26 January 2007 (MST)

And here's a partial list just to show what the table will look like:

Bronze SRD Weapons¹

Weapon	Cost	Hardness	hp
Greatsword	10 gp	8	7
Longsword	3 gp	8	3
Sword, bastard	7 gp	8	3
Sword, short	2 gp	8	1
Sword, two-bladed	10 gp	8	7
Any SRD Weapons that cannot be made from this material are ommited, as are SRD Weapons that have no statistical benefit when made from this material.

Nice work. I wish I had more time to assist with these projects. --Calidore Chase 19:53, 26 January 2007 (MST)

That looks very good and should work. --Green Dragon 15:25, 27 January 2007 (MST)

Sledged

Is any of these the intended referent?

1. sledged -- rode a sled
2. sledged -- insulted (esp. in cricket)
3. sledged -- got crunk, rode a bike, and saw Abe Lincoln four times
4. sledged -- beat with a sledgehammer
5. sledged -- children's book
6. sledged -- team name

I'm betting on #3. --Cúthalion 08:52, 12 February 2007 (MST)

All good guesses. The answer is "none of the above". —Sledged (talk) 10:02, 12 February 2007 (MST)

I actually looked up "Sledged" once on Google as well and was suprised with the results. Funny that you did the same thing as well... Deva Vu. --Green Dragon 10:49, 12 February 2007 (MST)

Great minds think alike (and so do ours).

Anyone out there old enough to be a *M*A*S*H* fan? Do you know what BJ stands for? --Cúthalion 12:05, 12 February 2007 (MST)