Talk:Cassia (3.5e Deity)

Amazon

Did you make reference to my Amazon class or is it just a funny coincidence. If you did have no problem with that, i can even if you want put Cassia reference on the Divina Table. By the way nice deity you created (she recall me [[Ghanadel (Ascyria Supplement)|Ghanadel]] even thought they are very different from each other upon closer examination). --Lord Dhazriel 13:58, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Coincidence; the amazon are also in various d20 books, or at least, a "slayer's guide to amazons." If you want to put her on the table, you may. Noname 14:02, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

I really think she deserve a place on the divina table, Do you have any suggestion for the bonus she grant (see the original divina table (link above) if you want a hint.--Lord Dhazriel 20:09, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Yes, +2 to Charisma and may cast enslave once a day. Or, +2 Charisma and the ability to use vampiric touch a certain number of times a day. Cassia will also show up in Praemium Terra, but will get in trouble with the archmages, who are already busy exploiting that land. Noname 22:19, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Praemium Terra, a nice campaign, i really like the 500 archmages idea.--Lord Dhazriel 22:21, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Are there any powers only available to deities in d&d? I thought I'd heard something about that. Noname 22:24, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Yes in a crappy book, brought it (half useless) 50$.--Lord Dhazriel 22:27, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Origin

There is some VERY indirect references to the marvel comics character "the goddess" from the mini-series "the infinity crusade" in which the universe nearly came to an end. The goddess powered her universe-ending weapon by fooling people into worshiping her and using their "universal will" to override what could have stopped her from ending the universe. The picture is from deviantart:http://ken1171.deviantart.com/art/Serenity-Wind-78689019 Noname 23:02, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Cassia's character comes from many of the things in life that corrupt and eat away at morality and society: the seven sins, a too great sense of entitlement, false feelings of being oppressed when asked to do the right thing, making decisions based on passion instead of reason, illiteracy, excessiveness, and idolatry. Noname 17:28, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Did I make this too long? I will also say that part of my inspiration for this came from the game Populous: The Beginning, in which a female shaman absorbs power from her followers (the more she has, the more mana she possesses) and has the goal of becoming a god. If all of her followers die, she dies as well. EDIT: And when I say "this", I mean the article, not the long discussion page. And one more thing, the cocoon was taken from the cocoon in Power Rangers Lost Galaxy, when the female arch-villain Trakeena goes into a cocoon to gain new powers and emerges as a half-woman half-praying mantis creature.Noname 23:00, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

No article can be too long--Lord Dhazriel 10:04, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Thank you for telling me that. And whatever happened to the divine rating system for allof the website? Also, one other note; it says that your Amazons have to remain virgins (a good choice for that kind of class), and yet worshiping Cassia would make them eventually degenerate into a...significantly less than virginal... state over time. I have no problem with Cassia being on the Divina list, though. Ascyria is a great Campaign Setting! Noname 10:12, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Maybe Cassia make an exception, the prerequise can change depending on the deity, or she can just want them to have a clear mind. She could require, Must not be Virgin.--Lord Dhazriel 10:19, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

All Cassia wants is their power; it doesn't matter too much to her whether they are virginal or not, so there isn't any conflict with the virgin requirement. I suppose Cassia simply wouldn't pass up a chance for more power, even if it means having virginal followers. The amazons can always be corrupted and fall from grace; you even set rules for what happens that comes to pass... Noname 10:25, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

I think she is (Cassia) very developed and interesting. Would you mind (or like) if i put her in the [[Deities and Pantheons (Ascyria Supplement)#Independent Deities|independent deity]] section. You could also add a adaptation section by example many book use this feature. ex: (Cassia in Eberron), (Cassia in Forgotten Realm), (Cassia in in Praemium Terra) etc. This is the last requirement that I need to nominate a Featured Article

Lord Dhazriel Featured Article Nomination Criteria

• Have a large history or background
• Be Original
• Adaptation (deity, race and class only)
• Have link in the page (if necessary)

That everything, you are free to judge, if you want any help i would gladly assist.--Lord Dhazriel 11:08, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

If you want to put her in the independent deities section, go ahead. A featured article. Wow. If that is so, I'll need to polish this up. Is there anything that could use refining here? I'll work on adaptation... I wonder what makes this goddess so interesting... Noname 13:02, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

This could be improved with an image of this deities symbol. --Green Dragon 13:23, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Also, more links to the SRD could be added. --Green Dragon 13:31, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Done. The image is added, as are the links. Noname 13:43, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

And thank you, both of you, for all of your help. Noname 14:01, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

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How would one adapt a deity for a setting, anyway? Noname 14:26, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

You need a good knowledge of the campaign, by example her relationship with other deities, other races and how she react to the difference (races that do(esn't) exist or with anything else in a campaign. If you want I can help you here or you can ask other campaign maker to help.--Lord Dhazriel 16:28, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Do you think Cassia would fit well in Eberron? I'm planning on placing her there and in Praemium Terra. Noname 16:32, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Yes, but i know nothing about Ebberon.--Lord Dhazriel 17:15, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

I can also do a Cassia in Ascyria if you want, more there better it is.--Lord Dhazriel 18:53, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Okay, that would be good. Noname 19:15, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

I just realized that Sarah Kerrigan from the Starcraft series of computer games might be another influence, albeit one that I wasn't consciously aware of. Having played that game series, I know that Kerrigan spends time in a Chrysalis before emerging as the powerful "queen of blades", a half-human, half-zerg monstrosity. Noname 01:04, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Rogue from the X-Men of marvel comics is probably the inspiration for Cassia's energy-draining powers; Rogue is another woman with the ability to drain life (and power) with contact made by her hands (or other body parts.) Noname 15:17, 7 April 2008 (MDT)

Embedding

How does one imbed an image to this site? Noname 14:14, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

[[Image:Example.jpg]]

• Import Image and Sound With this link.
• You must log yourself in again
• The image must be in your computer (preferably)
• Use JPG (BMP are too spacious)

Hope i helped.--Lord Dhazriel 14:28, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

It says uploads are disabled.Noname 14:29, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Try again if it really do no work you have 2 choice:

• Contact an Administrator
• I may Upload the image for you but... i must have the image

Your choice--Lord Dhazriel 14:33, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

This site doesn't accept .swf files on the upload page, does it? Is there another way to get it on the site? Noname 14:38, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

In theory, you could change the file type with a save as with paint, and i doubt their is another solution. Is your image animated or something special?

I stop Molling (sending message) you now or your page will be full. --Lord Dhazriel 14:43, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

It is a piece of work that I received direct permission to use from the artist. Noname 14:47, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Okay try to change the format to jpg and you should be alright, if you have any problem contact me. If you are still having problem after changing the format, contact an administrator or sent me the picture so i may try to import it myself.--Lord Dhazriel 14:55, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Meet me at the [[Special:TheTavern|Tavern]].--Lord Dhazriel 15:04, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

[[Image:NonameIMG.jpg]] place it were you want. --Lord Dhazriel 15:28, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

How? And please don't type in all caps... Noname 15:30, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

I didn't meant any offence, simply modify the text. By the way when it would be complete do you want me rate it.--Lord Dhazriel 15:40, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Okay. What is the criteria for rating? Noname 15:45, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

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Strange the rating system seem to be missing on deity, I'm going to tell that to green Dragon.--Lord Dhazriel 15:48, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Okay. Images are not uploaded on D&D Wiki, they are uploaded on D&D Wiki Media. Hope this helps. Also I have explained what happened to the rating system on Talk:DnD Deities#Rating System. --Green Dragon 11:45, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Suggestion

Perhaps you should give her divine minion do to her biding (Could be Succubus, Succubus seem to fit her.) and maybe an artifact related to her. This could add more depth to the deity.--Lord Dhazriel 16:46, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Good idea. I'll create a plane and an artifact and link them to her... I've already added an explanation about minions. Noname 17:47, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Have I made her too powerful? Noname 19:20, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

For words, she is a deity. In my campaign the Demiurge (Overdeity) Necroxis impaled the planet with his sword when the gods rebelled against him. You could create a stats block for her, if you really feel her overpowered than add a weakness. She may have a flawed godhood due to the way she make herself a god(dess). By reading how she ascended i think she could have a power that allow her to retreat to her dream (the Dreamrealm). Maybe she is still mortal here. But don,t worry if we compare her ability to "Necroxis's Plane Breaker" she is pretty balanced. Intermediate deity clearly win against a group of epic adventurer. Her true power clearly reside in her ability to control the mass, i don't think she is overpowered, she is balanced for a Intermediate deity.--Lord Dhazriel 20:05, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

She doesn't have a dream-realm, but maybe she could hide in another cocoon until every mortal who knows of her has died and return to an unsuspecting world. Noname 22:02, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Do you think I should create a spell (on another page which links to the Cassia article) to explain how Cassia makes her chrysalis? Noname 17:22, 7 April 2008 (MDT)

If you master epic spell, why not!--Lord Dhazriel 17:45, 7 April 2008 (MDT)

You should build her a domain, like i did with Ghanadel.--Lord Dhazriel 22:44, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

There's no need; all of the spells that I would have included already exist. Any others... are unsuitable for this site; I don't want to post x-rated content. This isn't the crappy "Book of Erotic Fantasy." Noname 23:22, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

Does anyone else see how absolutely ridiculous that image looks? I mean, geez--the translucent ribbon? Come on.

Added Link

I added some link, to the domain and favoured weapon (to accelerate spell research and formatting). Continue your good work :). --Lord Dhazriel 20:47, 4 April 2008 (MDT)

Sociopath

Do you think that Cassia's evil behavior is enough to classify her as a sociopath? I'm trying to add something unique to this entry in hopes of getting it as a featured article. Noname 17:03, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

On another note, is this the longest DnD Deity article there is? Noname 21:11, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Okay, save for the Eberron entry, this is essentially finished. Unless there is some other suggestion, I'm going to call this complete after Eberron's adaptation is entered. Noname 22:20, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Finished

Save for adding suggestions or minor edits, this page is finished. Any comments or suggestions? Noname 09:58, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

The only thing you could do more is putting a stat block for those who want to fight her, but this is not really useful and is time consuming.--Lord Dhazriel 15:31, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

It isn't really useful for a deity, especially this one; considering that this Cassia's exact stats changes depending on where she is and how many followers she has... I'm going to leave this part up to the DMs. Noname 16:03, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Okay, it appears that I may need something more to put this over the top and make it worthy of a featured article... I have an idea that I don't believe has been tried before on this wiki, or even in all of D&D. A deity with the ability to progress. The idea is to add a subsection entailing what would happen IF Cassia could gain enough power to become a greater deity. The subsection would have additional powers (she can enthrall nature itself with her beauty at greater deity level!), but would NOT cancel out anything that she already has. This will give the goddess more flexibility and will enable her to appear even in the very highest level Campaigns. Ever heard of a goddess so charismatic that even water, wind, fire, and rocks are charmed? Noname 14:07, 10 April 2008 (MDT)

I'm excited :). --Green Dragon 14:45, 10 April 2008 (MDT)

500 + views! Noname 16:29, 10 April 2008 (MDT)

So, how has her "seduction of the elements" worked out, in your opinion? Noname 19:49, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

It worked fine, but the risk of conflict with other deities power are many. By example how do you think a Greater Cassia would react to Ghanadel's Solar Wrath. The powers are very original and reflect the deity well. On a side note, beware before including Overdeity in a text, remember they are the supreme deity, by example The progression in Ascyria from 20 to 21 is about 10 time as long as the progression 0-20.--Lord Dhazriel 19:53, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

I don't know if I will or can make Cassia an overdeity; that would mean she has EVERYONE enslaved to her will. Maybe as a hypothetical scenario... and there probably would be a clash between two evil goddesses in the case you mentioned... Noname 21:03, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

I think it difficult to have everyone enslaved when you only accept women (50%) to be part of your cult (priesthood). I wouldn't worship that deity (nor that i would worship Ghanadel or any other evil deities) and seeing the organization of the cult.... I doubt that they manage to raise themselves against great religions. More you cause mess more people want to rip your throat, well basically it an extreme emotion to want to rip someone throat so maybe cassia will grow in power. If she was near overdeityhood, she could except troubles from the power in place, i don't know about your overdeity(ies) but my demiurges (two) both have 100 Divine Ranks (I know it uselessly high, more symbolic than anything else).--Lord Dhazriel 21:23, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

Keep in mind that Cassia is unlikely to ever advance beyond intermediate deity level. The very fact that she only has a great appeal to 50% of the population holds her back... of course, her magic operates on emotion, not reason, and her very presence can fool the weak-minded. In some lands where female deities are already respected by men and women, she can gain followers from the men. What can also work is if she manages to convert the king (or queen) of a country and make worshiping her the official religion. --Noname 21:38, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

I don't know for but if i was the king or the queen of a country she would be the last deity i want as official religion: After all all kings (even goods kings) oppress the people in some way. It like Egyptian theocracy adopting Jesus ;) --Lord Dhazriel 21:42, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

By the way do you think Cassia in Ascyria is good enough ?--Lord Dhazriel 21:47, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

Yes, it is fine. And the king or queen can be tempted or enslaved to accept her as the patron deity. Noname 21:56, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

Featured Article

— This article became a featured article! --Green Dragon 14:26, 15 April 2008 (MDT)

I nominated this article because I think it of high quality. The descriptions are advanced and the concept is interesting and unique.--Lord Dhazriel 18:53, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Thank you! The concept isn't too dissimilar to yours for Galadriel, though. What is the appeal of the concept, though? This wiki is full of attractive goddesses... Noname 19:11, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Isn't there supposed to be a lengthly conversation with the admins when discussing whether or not to make an entry into a featured article? Noname 20:43, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Yes i nominate it, but im sure the other will agreed. For the first question the base concept is pretty simple, but As i said it with a grain of sand we make pearls.--Lord Dhazriel 21:24, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Ghanadel, Galadriel is a character from Lord of the Ring, they really doesn't are the same ;) --Lord Dhazriel 21:53, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

Comment — I feel the image could be improved. First off, at least in my eyes, it comes off as very fake— although maybe that's because it is a computer animation ;). Also I am not sure if it is graphically appropriate... --Green Dragon 21:51, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Also, getting permission to use the picture was difficult enough. And it IS well-made by the artist. Noname 22:32, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

The pictures seem almost pornographic, and I hope to keep the Wiki at least PG 10 or something. I know it's not my job to be the Wiki's conscience, but my little 10 year old brother plays DnD, and I don't think these images of "Cassia" are very wholesome. Sorry, given the difficulties of putting it on there, but still... I feel like it ruins an otherwise excellent entry. --Sir Milo Teabag 14:48, 8 April 2008 (MDT)

I made sure to get pictures which had the certain parts covered. There are far worse things on this site that I have nothing to do with. As it is, some of the pictures in the monster manual (dryad, nymph, succubus) are far more explicit. I put nothing in that wouldn't be acceptable in the general core rulebooks. Here is the picture of the succubus (click on the eye near the name) :http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm This was taken by another site from the monster manual. The stuff on my entry isn't as bad as that, and that is a Core Book. Therefore, if it is acceptable there, it ought to be on a wiki about the same topic as that Core Book. I actually agree with you on the moral points of your statement...but that is WHY Cassia is an EVIL goddess. There's no such thing as a goddess anyway... Noname 16:10, 8 April 2008 (MDT)

What are your thoughts on [[:Image:Cassia.jpg]]? --Green Dragon 01:46, 9 April 2008 (MDT)

Not great. It looks like something out of Final Fantasy. Not quite the right effect. Did my point about how the media was the same level as the Monster Manual just get forgotten? That picture looks like it would fit Ghanadel, the goddess Lord Dhazriel made. Maybe you should ask him if he wants to use it. Noname 15:02, 9 April 2008 (MDT)

You are completely right. --Green Dragon 14:22, 15 April 2008 (MDT)

Comment — Links need to be worked on, especially ones that externally link to other parts of D&D Wiki. Also I feel more links to the SRD could be added. --Green Dragon 21:53, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

How many more SRD links are needed? Noname 22:32, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

You could link the Chaotic Evil in her description to the alignment page.--Lord Dhazriel 06:46, 7 April 2008 (MDT)

The amount of links looks good. The main reason I was saying that was because entire sections, like "Dogma", "Clergy and Temples", as well as some campaign specific areas, have no links to the SRD present. However, after reading through this with links in my mind, I felt a good job with the amount of links has been done. --Green Dragon 01:38, 9 April 2008 (MDT)

Support — It was animated (I imported the image and used a apecial program to change the format), i corrected the the web link it was a matter of seconds. If the red link in Cassia in Ascyria cause problem then it my fault. Guess im going to do the Mandea now.--Lord Dhazriel 22:01, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Comment — I do not think this should be an intermediate deity. I think, because of the way this deities followers do not particularly last too long, it would be better described as a lesser or hero deity. I also feel this way because this deity seems shockingly down to earth. --Green Dragon 21:56, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

As it is, Cassia is at least as powerful as many other intermediate deities on this wiki. And her "down-to-earthness" is part of what makes her unique. And in a large country, it can take many years for society to collapse, especially if it takes her decades to become the most important deity. Noname 22:32, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Actually from what i understand from the article, Cassia deity level depend on where she is and how many worship her. So intermediate is the middle, she could be a greater deity in somewhere and be mortal in another country.--Lord Dhazriel 06:43, 7 April 2008 (MDT)

The average level of her power is intermediate, though. I hesitated to make her any more powerful than intermediate because a goddess of sloth and indulgence does not fit the bill for a deity who reigns over other deities. I also didn't want to make her a demigod or minor deity; she can ruin whole countries with her powers! Noname 13:22, 7 April 2008 (MDT)

I guess it should stay as an intermediate. The reason I brought this up was because I was visualizing how I would implement this into a campaign and for some reason I thought of it on a town-scale, not a kingdom-scale. Intermediate is right. --Green Dragon 01:18, 9 April 2008 (MDT)

Comment — I feel the headers should all be one level deeper. --Green Dragon 22:00, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

I got it. For some reason the first header was a L1 header, the rest were L3 or L4 headers. Damn preload ;P. --Green Dragon 01:15, 9 April 2008 (MDT)

Comment — What are everyones thoughts on including a stat block for the deity, as described in Deities and Demigods? --Green Dragon 22:06, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

These are complicated and require much time, as cited above it better to leave it to the DM.--Lord Dhazriel 22:15, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

Same. Epic-level NPCs (which almost every deity is) are a pain to throw together, and are almost never used. —Sledged (talk) 11:03, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

As I said, the DM can best handle that... Noname 21:54, 11 April 2008 (MDT)

Comment — Thank you very much for all of your help, Lord Dhazriel. And I thank everyone who helped me to make this a featured article. Noname 19:40, 15 April 2008 (MDT)

No problem, it was natural.--Lord Dhazriel 21:02, 15 April 2008 (MDT)

Congrats! --Sir Milo Teabag 06:38, 16 April 2008 (MDT)

Interesting

Am I allowed to call shenanigans on this one? I'm finding all sorts of elements borrowed from other places. The practices Cassia encourages seems to be based in medieval rumors of what witches did and why women were more likely to become witches. The stuff about the restricted language is pure 1984, and apart from her trait of worsening the lot of people for her own self-serving amusement and the black widow mating habits, I'd peg her as Chaotic Neutral. Genowhirl 22:00, 11 May 2008 (MDT)

She's still very evil. A partial list of inspirations include (see the origins section for even more):

Sarah Kerrigan from the Starcraft games (that is where the Chrysalis comes from), The Whore of Babylon, Jean Gray ("The Pheonix" from X-Men, which is a being of passion and power, and is inevitably corrupted by its inability to control that power), 1984, Rogue (another girl from the X-men, who drains energy from those she touches), the succubus, the nymph, the wicked Medea (an EVIL witch from Greek mythology who killed her two sons... and her young brother!), Delilah from the old testament story of Samson, the cult of Wicca, and various religious practices in the ancient middle east. Technically, most of the content from D&D itself comes from a few major sources: Greco-Roman myths (Gorgons, Nymphs, Satyrs, Centaurs, Pegasi, etc), Judeo-Christian writings, Celtic-Germanic myths (Elves, Drow, Trolls, Dwarves, etc) H.P. Lovecraft (anything with tentacles, plus the aberration class in general), Dante Aligheri's The Divine Comedy (where do you think that planes come from?), Three Hearts and Three Lions (By Poul Anderson, which in turn uses primarily Gallo-Romance French sources rather than his native Danish ones), and a few pieces from various non-western mythologies (Aztec, Chinese, Indian, Arabian, Japanese, etc.) Little of what we post is totally original. What makes it okay is that we take various elements of pre-existing myths, legends, and other cultural aspects and combine them into a new whole. Noname 00:54, 12 May 2008 (MDT)

1000 Views!

Thank you so much! Noname 17:35, 12 May 2008 (MDT)

Prestige Class based on Cassia

I've been thinking about making a prestige class of Cassia-worshiping females... sort of like the Dispassionate watchers of Chronepsis in that it is a class based on a divinity (totally differet stats and features!) Any suggestions Noname 19:09, 20 May 2008 (MDT)

Good idea, I would suggest something that put a lot of social mess instead of raw power (focusing more on charm and other enchantment). This remember me of my Courtesan, well I hope you be able to come with something better than a suggestion after sleeping with a person ;)--Lord Dhazriel 22:18, 20 May 2008 (MDT)

Domains

Just a side note perhaps, but I believe every deity grants a minimum of three domains (plus occasional extra domains bestowed by instances of the Extra Domain Salient Divine Ability, which is available to rank 6 and over). --Sulacu 04:37, 22 May 2008 (MDT)

Use in the game?

Has anyone used Cassia in any way? Noname 18:12, 7 July 2008 (MDT)

yeah, often as a evil deity or idol, cult that need to be terminated by the PC, she also have a slight importance in my pantheon.--Lord Dhazriel 18:13, 7 July 2008 (MDT)

2000 + Views!

Once again, thank you very much. Noname 16:46, 18 July 2008 (MDT)

Sexist?

Some people at the D&D forums think that this is somehow sexist. I was asking on the craziest part of that site, so it might be just their overreaction.--Noname 21:47, 27 February 2009 (MST)

OVER 9000!

How many views does the scouter say it has? It's over 9000! lol. I've always wanted to say that. --Noname 00:25, 2 March 2009 (MST)

Adult Content

I believe some of the pictures here warrant a Mature Content Warning. Palantini 20:09, 1 June 2009 (MDT)

Unless one of the admins says so, I don't believe it does. None of them claimed that it did before. I'll remove the warning, but an admin says you are correct, it will be put back on in an instant. Thanks -- Noname 10:51, 30 June 2009 (MDT)

There is nothing inherently "adult-only" about the pictures (or content for that matter). I'm not a big fan of the first picture in general, however. I think there is a lot of better art out there. --Aarnott 11:01, 30 June 2009 (MDT)

I don't how much the policies have changed since the above comments were made but I have seen other articles have the "Adult Theme" template for less. My primary concern is one of the images and the overall theme itself. I would have done it myself but this is a featured article and I am not fully sure of the rules (IMO it should have "Adult Theme" even more so because it is a featured article, and therefore going to be on the front page and not hidden away somewhere). TeslaFistforge (talk) 00:22, 20 September 2020 (MDT)

Youtube

Interesting [1].   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   20:42, 2 September 2009 (MDT)

Yes... very. O.o --Aristocles 01:16, 12 November 2009 (MST)

Political/Social?

Does it strike anyone else that this seems like a sociopolitical rant against liberals in general and feminists in particular? It reads like something Ayn Rand would write if she was a white Christian male from the 50's. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.131.114.17 (talk • contribs) 08:46, 25 June 2013‎ (MST). Please sign your posts.

Why not compare it to a succubus as a deity in its own right? I find it interesting because of its multi-sided interpretations. --Green Dragon (talk) 06:18, 29 August 2013 (MDT)

It was meant to be a warped, hopelessly exaggerated thing in the first place. D&D has quite a bit of things that are hopelessly obsolete in a modern society. I mean, its a game in which people kill monsters, who are often the equal of primitive "barbarians" who come from other, frequently non-western cultures, often killed at the order of a hereditary monarch in exchange for gold currency. It's just a game. No rant was intended, only an exaggeration. And if it helps, I used many of the features of a nymph and a succubus as my starting point for this one. -- Aristocles (talk) 09:26, 16 December 2013 (MST)

Featured Article Review

— This article did not become a featured article. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 13:17, 1 June 2023 (MDT)
Please feel free to re-nominate it once it meets the FA criteria and when all the major issues brought up in this nomination have been dealt with.

See the previous discussion section—this evil deity is heavily coded after the "straw feminist" and real-world progressive politics. The section on "Cassian correctness" is a particularly on-the-nose reference to "political correctness", but there's also:

• "Cassia's clergy discriminate against those who have historically been non-disadvantaged. This means that her clergy are made up of the poor, minority races, and women [...] Instead of actually improving their condition, Cassia tricks them into making it worse for them" and

• "Under her power, people willingly stop having children [...], do the very minimum amount of work needed to survive, disband their defenses, misspend their money, commit perverse acts in massive displays of lust, and when asked to be held accountable for their actions, they call those who ask "oppressive"

These are pretty clear references to "reverse discrimination", the spinster-feminist stereotype, and a whole host of other modern day progressive political positions (or, at least, positions that progressives are accused of supporting). I question if there's a place for this on the wiki, but at the very least I think it shouldn't be a Featured Article without some extensive edits. —Salasay ♄ 13:48, 22 March 2023 (MDT)

Upon reviewing the voting up there for featured, I'm very confused why there was only one real support vote and then this passed nomination. Anyway, jumping on the conversation about the politic of the page, this reminds me of the discussion had about the Green Nude Eel. If it is meant to be satire and wild exaggeration to pillory an opinion or position, I suppose an AF makes the most sense.

On the FA status, I'm wondering what changes could be done about the page's content? Clearly a lot of it derives from extant lore on "bad women in positions of power." I guess you could always go even further with caricatures to make it a clear point that it isn't meant to be taken seriously?--Yanied (talk) 17:59, 22 March 2023 (MDT)

I agree that it doesn't meet the standards that we want users to look at right when first looking for the best made content. Although it is well made, and a good deity compared to most others on D&D Wiki (if not one of the most comprehensive), the questions that it raises to the average user would rather be fitting for a quality article. I support the demotion for this deity to a quality article. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:16, 11 April 2023 (MDT)

I have decided to fail this page's featured article review. As stated by Salasay, the page has a lot of questionable content that is integral to its identity, and the consensus seems to be that this is something we shouldn't promote (at least, I haven't seen anyone argue the contrary). The page would need to undergo extensive rewrites before I'd be comfortable having it as a FA again. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 13:16, 1 June 2023 (MDT)

A comment against extensive rewrites. While I understand the reasons why this page is no longer a featured article and have no objections toward it, I see the idea of "extensive rewrites" being thrown around a bit, which I do object to. Cassia is an incredibly well-put-together page and piece of content, the reason why it received FA in 2008 the first place. I imagine that if this article existed and were rated in a vacuum solely alongside other D&D content, it would have kept its Featured Article status just fine. Alas, no things exist in a vacuum, and with outside context Cassia certainly seems like a controversial piece of political commentary.

However, I would like to point out that the primary contributor listed their inspirations in an earlier post on this page, only of which 1984 includes something approaching modern political commentary. If we assume good faith on the primary contributor's intent, and especially since this page was created years before "toxic feminism" became the mainstream topic it is now in today's culture, it's entirely possible that Cassia resembles what others here have called a "strawman feminist" entirely by coincidence. With these things in mind, I believe it would be unfair to rewrite or make substantial changes to its identity for such an external reason, even if it no longer has its FA status. --ZarHakkar (talk) 19:24, 1 June 2023 (MDT)