Talk:D&D Wiki Magazine

Issues

• D&D Wiki Magazine/Issue 0
• D&D Wiki Magazine/Issue 1
• D&D Wiki Magazine/Issue 2
• D&D Wiki Magazine/Issue 3
• D&D Wiki Magazine/Issue 4

The Name

I'm thinking of changing the name slightly to something unique (so that if you make a web search for the name, this should be the top result). On scribd, the magazine has poor visibility if you search "Homebrew", but does appear on the first page if you search "Homebrew Magazine". For example. Marasmusine (talk) 02:39, 30 March 2015 (MDT)

If I am making a name for a big magazine (which I am right now) I would try to make it:

• short and easy to remember
• make the name similer to something searched in d&d frequently.
• it should be neutral, that mean it is not like flaming homebrew just because the first theme was fire.
• It would be nice if the name had a good shorter name using capital. (like: D&D H.W.M for D&D Homebrew Wiki Magazine)

Azernath (talk) 03:56, 30 March 2015 (MDT)

I got one Homebrew World, it could work. Search it on Google and see what you find, there isn't much on that subject. Azernath (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2015 (MDT)

Got a few, mostly based on the beer reference of the name homebrew. Wiki Ales (Get it? cause its a homeBREW magazine?), DungeonBrew, Dragons Keg/Barrel, Dungeon MoonShine, stuff like that. --Salasay Δ 20:09, 6 April 2015 (MDT)

Well I am done, I got no other name, this is driving me crazy. Azernath (talk) 09:52, 11 April 2015 (MDT)

The Roles and Creators Parts

We must decide the most basic roles and who will be assigned to them, I got few main ROLES:

• Editor In Chief:

• Marasmusine (vote 1)

• 5E Associate Editor: Azernath

• 4E Associate Editor:

• 3.5E Associate Editor:

• 5E Designers: Kydo

• 4E Designers:

• 3.5E Designers: Calidore Chase?

• Staff writers:

These could be replaced as anyone see fit. Azernath (talk) 09:52, 11 April 2015 (MDT)

Can we get role definitions? I'd like to help with 3.5e stuff, but I don't have the time to dedicate much to it.--Salasay Δ 10:07, 12 April 2015 (MDT)

This is not a requirement, it is more of being a reference to others and choosing what will be in the issue, but you don't have to be obligated to it. Azernath (talk) 11:22, 12 April 2015 (MDT)

Roles seem to work better in a ad-hoc fashion, people can do what they can and as much as they feel able. Marasmusine (talk) 11:26, 12 April 2015 (MDT)

Article

Do we have an article for D&D Wiki Magazine 2 ? Because if not I can try to add something. Azernath (talk) 00:55, 16 August 2015 (MDT)

Publication Vectors

Does anyone object to me making the magazine available at Drive Thru RPG? (still for free of course) Marasmusine (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2015 (MDT)

Sure, go for it. Azernath (talk) 00:55, 16 August 2015 (MDT)

I've made a publisher account and uploaded the magazine, I have to wait for approval before it goes public, I'll let you know. Marasmusine (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2015 (MDT)

Okay, it was accepted, and it's here. Look Azernath, you ended up as the first author listed. Marasmusine (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2015 (MDT)

I wonder did they put my name because it start with an A, or did they really consider me the first author :) Azernath (talk) 16:13, 17 August 2015 (MDT)

I don't think that it is okay to list the "authors" at the end. I have given tremendous work onto some of the pages, for example the Illusionary Weapons Master (3.5e Prestige Class) (dif) but there is nothing listed. At least a link to the history and something accurate would be okay. --Green Dragon (talk) 00:54, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

I did experiment with showing the authors with the item itself, but it made for awkward formatting on pages with lots of items. It looks like I can add a html link to a PDF document, I wasn't sure if I could do this but apparently this is possible with Word 2013 exports. I will link to page histories in the next issue. I've also looked at the GNU FDL and am unsure how to make it compliant. I have to include a copy of http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html in the magazine? I'm not sure if it counts as a Combined Document (section 5) or a Collection of Documents (section 6), or where I have to list the authors. Marasmusine (talk) 13:02, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

Its okay to list the "main author" in whatever format but then at least linking to the HTTP history would be nicer for users like me who put lots of work into some pages but now it seems like I do not get recognized for it. Better, of course, it a more comprehensive search of who is "authoring" the pages. I'm not saying it needs to be republished, but for future reference that will make less users have bad feelings about possible outcomes.

With the GNU FDL you do not even need to list the authors if you are taking it from a MMC site and then "publishing" it. See also GNU Free Documentation License 1.3#2. VERBATIM COPYING. If you take this route you need to include at least a link to the history page (or D&D Wiki like is there at the start works too I think). It is possible that I am a little mistaken. Its a copy-left license, but it needs to remain under the GNU FDL license since that it how it was originaly published. --Green Dragon (talk) 13:53, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

Potential Ooze Issue

I think that if we can pull this one off, get the right/enough articles, it'll be fine. Firstly we need a list of stuff that we need to include, a lot of which will need to be made from scratch. Ooze dragon MUST happen. Also, Marasmusine, do you remember that really roughly made Ooze PC race that I made a while back, the Trïefen? Something unique like that, if we can get it to work, would make the issue. Also, ooze class, ooze templates, stuff like that. Giving ooze-idge to the player instead of just random encounter tables is the best plan for an ooze issue. I also propose that we put the ooze project on essentially the sideburner, have some stuff getting worked on for it while we do the next issue. As I'm seeing right now, we could do the Hybrid Issue this time while the we work kinks out of some articles for the ooze issue (like making the dragon, class, race, and/or template). --Salasay Δ 15:38, 10 September 2015 (MDT)

ِAll I care about is what color is ooze of the dragon? Azernath (talk) 16:03, 10 September 2015 (MDT)

This is my favorite theme! It could go off of the Ooze Type and Ooze Keyword and even include Jelly spells, environemnts, etc. --Green Dragon (talk) 00:45, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

I have noticed that in the Ooze Type, Ooze Keyword, and Jelly creations are mostly for 3.5e, so if we chose Ooze as our theme for issue 4 then we will have to make creations for both 4e and 5e. Azernath (talk) 10:05, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

I'm thinking oozes, slimes (I made a 4e olive slime and sand slime here, puddings, gelatinous whatevers, mimics and other amorphous critters; elementals/mephits from the elemental plane of ooze or mud. This might be a monster-heavy issue. Can also include traps and hazards, ooze-related equipment. Marasmusine (talk) 12:22, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

If we pick this theme we can broaden the pallet by also including another theme (Oozes & Ogres; Oozes & Organs?) Marasmusine (talk) 13:09, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

Ogre Jelly! Marasmusine (talk) 13:13, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

Could you un-delete the Trïefen so I can start getting it up to snuff? Either that or a similar ooze PRC would really help the potential ooze issue, and what i already had is a good enough starting place as any. --Salasay Δ 22:19, 19 September 2015 (MDT)

I can't find it. Was it 3.5e? Did the title have the umlaut? Marasmusine (talk) 02:40, 20 September 2015 (MDT)

Yeah. It was deleted Nov 28 2012 a according to deletion logs.--Salasay Δ 06:55, 20 September 2015 (MDT)

Trïefen (3.5e Race) here we go, although there's not much there. Marasmusine (talk) 08:34, 20 September 2015 (MDT)

Alright, I added to the racial traits. I need someone to help with the flavor stuff, and a little help with the issue of how they carry stuff. Right now they have a skull floating in their body that has an extra-dimensional space inside, but I'm not sure how to define weights, sizes, and stuff like that for the space. --Salasay Δ 14:11, 20 September 2015 (MDT)

I put "slimes" with the oozes issue too, since pages like Slime Child (3.5e Race) are similar to oozes. --Green Dragon (talk) 01:38, 26 November 2015 (MST)

My votes

My votes still stand. Sorry been gone for so long - work has been a bit tense lately. Might get tenser, read in the paper today that KJU is threatening Nuclear again. Sigh. --Calidore Chase (talk) 17:20, 16 September 2015 (MDT)

What does KJU has to do with your work? Are you working with the CIA? Azernath (talk) 18:44, 16 September 2015 (MDT)

Didn't you know? CC is the CIA.--Salasay Δ 20:02, 16 September 2015 (MDT)

The CC what? Azernath (talk) 22:38, 16 September 2015 (MDT)

Please keep our discussions in focus with what the topics that D&D Wiki deal with. We don't want to lead to any extraneous opinions or ideas that have nothing to do with this site. --Green Dragon (talk) 00:44, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

Your selections that have a 2nd vote are Castles, Fiends, Undead, so we'll put those on the shortlist with Hybrids. Marasmusine (talk) 13:12, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

D&D Wiki Magazine 3 Final Vote

So to set this up once and for all, we are going to make a vote just so that things are cleared up. We have two options between Hybrids and Ooze, so cast your votes not your spells or voodoo on your choice, and please choose only one:

• Hybrids (1 vote)
• Ooze (0 vote)

Actually I'm thinking of listing all the themes that have 2 or 3 votes then letting a die roll decide. Marasmusine (talk) 16:28, 20 September 2015 (MDT)

Then allow me to do the honor. Azernath (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2015 (MDT)

1. Castles
2. Dungeons
3. Fiends
4. Holy
5. Hybrids
6. Ooze
7. Steel & Machines
8. Undead

The die roll is "1", so issue 3 will be about castles. Marasmusine (talk) 09:09, 21 September 2015 (MDT)

DrivethruRPG downloads

For those interested in numbers, at the time of writing Issue 1 has been downloaded 298 times, and Issue 2 has been downloaded 362 times. Thank-you again to everyone involved! Marasmusine (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2015 (MDT)

Just wanted to say: that is the coolest thing ever. --Kydo (talk) 15:48, 14 October 2015 (MDT)

Organization

How exactly does the voting work? Looking at the page, it looks like some people have voted for nearly everything on the list? Where are votes collected? And when? Azernath is the only one I can find who has openly posted his picks. Do previous votes continue to count in future selections, like a cumulative voting process? --Kydo (talk) 15:44, 14 October 2015 (MDT)

Cumulative voting. Works because some people aren't on all the time, but the cumulative continues to express their interest in particular topics. --Calidore Chase (talk) 21:53, 28 October 2015 (MDT)

Trinkets

I have added a compiled list of the magazine's trinket boxes to our 5e Trinkets page. --Kydo (talk) 11:55, 20 October 2015 (MDT)

Content Ideas in advance

Thought it might be interesting to start a 'content ideas in advance section' - so here it goes:

Dwarves:

3.5e Combat Shovel (3.5e Equipment), Dumathoins Draught (3.5e Equipment), Breathe that Foul Air (3.5e Feat), Sonn-Sabrak (3.5e Equipment), Pocket of Endless Cigars (3.5e Equipment), Born by the Forge (3.5e Feat), Summon Cigar (3.5e Spell)

Martial Arts:

3.5e Flurry of Throws (3.5e Feat), Greater Monkey Beats the Gong (3.5e Feat), Monkey Beats the Gong (3.5e Feat), Gloves of Marking (3.5e Equipment), Gloves of the Funny Bone (3.5e Equipment)

5e Unarmed Strike Variant (5e Equipment), Brass Knuckle (5e Equipment), Luchador (5e Class), Gladiator (5e Class), Drunken Brawler (5e Class), Gunslinger (5e Class), Berserker (5e Class), Blade Dancer (5e Class), Assassin (5e Background), Battlesmith (5e Background), Gladiator (5e Background), Slayer (5e Background), Mercenary (5e Background), Multi-Weapon Fighting (5e Variant Rule)

Undead:

3.5e Banner Ring of the Undead Lord (3.5e Equipment), Crepitus Crutch (3.5e Equipment), Bloodstone (3.5e Curse)

5e Skeleton (5e Race), Revenant (5e Race), Zombie (5e Class)

Hybrids:

5e Centaur (5e Race), Dhampir (5e Race), Elf orc (5e Race), Elftaur (5e Race), Half-Dryad (5e Race), Half-Minotaur (5e Race), Half-Troll (5e Race), Half-Vampire (5e Race), Harpy (5e Race), Lamia (5e Race), Satyr (5e Race), Ogrillon (5e Race), Mongrelfolk (5e Race), Minotaur (5e Race), Minotaur, Variant (5e Race), Merfolk Erectus (5e Race), Experiment (5e Background), Feral Child (5e Background), Hellborn (5e Background), Monster (5e Background), Partial Armor (5e Variant Rule), Torch Mace (5e Equipment), Torch Staff (5e Equipment), Slingstaff (5e Equipment), Scissor Sword (5e Equipment), Subrace Human (5e Race Variant)

--Calidore Chase (talk) 02:39, 3 November 2015 (MST)

I agree. --Kydo (talk) 12:27, 8 November 2015 (MST)

OK everyone, now that he is in the process of putting together issue 3, we should start thinking about issue 4! This way, those of us who want to create brand new content for the next issue have as much time as possible to ponder the subject. Currently, of the above, I think Martial Arts has the most from 3.5e and 5e, but lets hear your voices on what ya'all want to see! --Calidore Chase (talk) 18:42, 7 January 2016 (MST)

Category removal

I think we can remove the 'Furniture and Flare' category as it is pretty much rolled into the Castle theme. --Calidore Chase (talk) 23:25, 7 November 2015 (MST)

Issue 4

Let's settle on the theme for issue 4. Thank-you for everyone's patience, I know it's slow going (2 issues per year?), I have problems finding times when I can concentrate on this. I appreciate everyone's contributions and help. Marasmusine (talk) 13:09, 3 March 2016 (MST)

As usually, the themes with 2 or 3 votes are considered as the next idea:

1. Dragons
2. Dungeons
3. Fiends
4. Holy
5. Hybrids
6. Martial Arts
7. Oozes and Slimes
8. Steel & Machines
9. Undead

Roll 1d10, and rerolling at 10. Now if only Marasmusine could do the honor. Azernath (talk) 08:57, 4 March 2016 (MST)

I rolled a 4, so the theme is "Holy", unless anyone wants to use their veto. Marasmusine (talk) 09:15, 4 March 2016 (MST)

Issue 4 Ideas

The main theme should not only consider holy, but also honor, divine, and maybe even celestial. Items for clerics and paladins are wanted, divine creatures are necessary addition, and classes and archetypes like the Inquisitor (5e Class) and Oath of The Inquisition (5e Archetype) are good caniddiets but not nearly as good as needed. This is just to get things clear for the future searches, and in hopes of getting things with no rejections. Azernath (talk) 11:20, 4 March 2016 (MST)

I'm moving this discussion to Talk:D&D Wiki Magazine/Issue 4. Marasmusine (talk) 11:49, 4 March 2016 (MST)

Downloads

While issue 1 and 2 got a couple of hundred downloads, issue 3 has had no downloads at all since publication. What did I do wrong? Can anyone help promote it? Marasmusine (talk) 12:05, 18 March 2016 (MDT)

I don't think anything was done "wrong". I think North America is in a really bad spot right now. People are having difficulties keeping their homes, let alone keeping up with their hobbies. I think in general things are kind of grinding to a halt in a lot of areas right now. --Kydo (talk) 17:09, 18 March 2016 (MDT)

Also, with the Dungeon Masters Guild open and blaring with the full volume of the WotC marketing machine, anyone without marketing assets is going to get drowned out. Part of that comes from history. The longer you're around, the bigger you are. We probably won't be a big splash until we've put out a considerable amount of material. --Kydo (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2016 (MDT)

I'd do more promoting, and will eventually, but I am currently in the process of moving back to the states. I doubt you've done anything wrong. We just need to advertise more. --Calidore Chase (talk) 23:34, 21 March 2016 (MDT)

Renewed vigor! Issue 3 was downloaded 340 times in March from drivethrurpg, total to date is 460. No feedback though. I will begin issue 4. Marasmusine (talk) 10:46, 16 June 2016 (MDT)

Cool! I'm having trouble thinking up content for this new issue. I never really explored the subject of faith in D&D any closer than the insane cults of evil and the good guys who hate them. --Kydo (talk) 10:51, 16 June 2016 (MDT)

Thats why I suggested the "angels and demons" type issue, instead of an "angels" issue --Salasay Δ 11:37, 16 June 2016 (MDT)

Whow finally starting, and no this issue is not about angels, it is about all divine things and subjects. Even the corrupted are somewhat allowed in the issue. Azernath (talk) 11:54, 17 June 2016 (MDT)

Wait, divine according to who exactly? Would the angels and priests of evil and chaotic faiths also be valid? --Kydo (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2016 (MDT)

At the moment I'm just looking at "holy" rather than "unholy". If there's a lack of material on the good-aligned-spectrum I'll consider a broader definition. Here is an interesting etymology from etymonline.com: "Primary (pre-Christian) meaning is not possible to determine, but probably it was "that must be preserved whole or intact, that cannot be transgressed or violated," and connected with Old English hal (see health) and Old High German heil "health, happiness, good luck" (source of the German salutation Heil). Holy water was in Old English. " Marasmusine (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2016 (MDT)

It is based on what you think it is holy or divine and even the fallen are allowed as long you give an explanation of why is it as such? If its holy than in what form? And if unholy or fallen, then what caused it to become so? Religon should take a back seat if possible to keep it for another issue. Azernath (talk) 23:24, 17 June 2016 (MDT)

No, guys, I mean "divine" or "holy" in the way religion works in D&D. An evil god is not fundamentally unholy, nor is anything it represents. Things are only "holy" or "unholy" in the context of a specific group. So, for instance, the sacrificial practices of an evil cult would be holy to their deity, but unholy to the worshippers of a good deity. Out of context, in the D&D setting everything is holy according to one deity or another! But that is neither here nor there, as the theme is "divinity". I interpret "divine" in the D&D setting to refer to anything belonging to the outer planes, both upper and lower. (So, all the various heavens and hells) As far as I know, there is no direct antonym for divine. (Maybe profane? That's kinda more about things you say though.) So, could fiends be considered divine if they were in the employ of an evil god? (Not to be confused with the demonic princes or devil lords- they are god-like beings, but not explicitly divine; they could be replaced at any time by any lesser beings who can find some way to overcome them... Though the distinction is rather moot, as God's tend to be surprisingly mortal in traditional D&D settings.) --Kydo (talk) 02:24, 18 June 2016 (MDT)

In 3.5e "divine" is used for deities regardless of their alignment (e.g. "divine rank"); while "holy" is specifically associated with Good alignment, and doesn't need to be in the context of deities or religion. The theme for the issue is "Holy", but like I say, I can broaden the definition depending on what the submissions are. 06:46, 18 June 2016 (MDT)

Accessibility

Currently, the only way to access this magazine project, is through the 5e Trinkets page, and a couple of user pages, and a discussion page. If we want the community to work together to make this thing, don't you guys think maybe that community should be able to access it? Maybe it should be available under Other on the individual edition pages, like underneath the Discussion link? --Kydo (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2016 (MDT)

Quality Control

So, one of the #1 complaints about this community is that the content lacks oversight. Many people feel this wiki would be vastly improved by a curation system. At first I scoffed at the idea- that would be rather intithetical to what dandwiki is. But then I realized that we already have a content curation system- not only that but it's actually fun, and cool, AND it preserves the content in its curated form, while still allowing the content to continue its organic evolution! THIS MAGAZINE is that curation system! Even more cool, this curation system can be used as a publicity tool AND an incentive to encourage users to make more quality content, improve pages, and review pages! I think we should go balls-to-the-wall with this thing. In order to do that though, I think we need to improve a few things...

1. First off, we need to give Marasmusine a break. He's basically a one-man-show at the moment, and that is not cool. We need dedicated curators. We need a group of users who each dedicate themselves to a section of the magazine- at least one user per edition. A dedicated curator's role is to review each magazine nominee article. If they feel it is acceptable for the magazine, they put their name next to it in the list, to show that it has been curated and who did so. Marasmusine would then only pull curated articles into the magazine, reviewing them in order of most curations to least. (Just because something is curated doesnt necessarily mean itll get in- Marasmusine may decide it just doesnt fit in or something, he is the head editor) Ideally, every curator in a section will review every nominee in their section, and their combined support will ensure the best content gets into the mag. Realistically, it means that, if nobody cares enough to be a curator for something, it doesn't go in the mag. It needs to be clear who is curating what.
2. Next, we need to narrow our focus. At the moment, we choose a theme and try to dump everything we can find that fits it into the magazine, all at once. This makes each issue into a bloated, kitchen-sink sort of affair, and takes FOREVER. We need to put an article limit on each type of content. That way we don't have to put anywhere near as much material into the final product- we would only concern ourselves with the best the wiki has to offer. So, for example, limit spells and items to 5 articles, races to 2, classes to 1, etc., per edition. This would reduce production time significantly, narrow our focus to improving the best works, and give us good reason to revisit old or similar themes in the future, because we'll be preserving a larger pool of unused material to draw from!
3. We need to publicize. I know I said I'd help with that, and then I flaked. Sorry. I've been looking into it though, and I think I have a few ideas. Once we have this issue out, we should advertise it to the major communities. RPG.net, ENWorld, GiantITP, and ReD&Dit seem to be the largest. RPG.SE is also very big, but not an appropriate community for such activity, as they are 100% against idle chatter. We need to get people interested in the mag, so people are downloading and reading it, and we need to get people interested in the project, (Which would help grow the community by attracting active, helpful, productive users, and make the magazine better and easier to produce) --Kydo (talk) 03:14, 27 August 2016 (MDT)

Sudden Edit

So, Im trying to make the magazine more accessible to your average user, particularly new users. Considering its on the front page now, I hope it will attract some regular editors. Im also trying to improve the clarity of how we actually go about doing this, so it isnt quite so scatter-brained. My hope is that by improving the organizational process behind the magazine, the production rate will be increased, and make the process a bit easier for everyone involved. Its entirely provisional though, we can change it however we want. Ill probably defer to Marasmusines opinion on the matter, if he has one. --Kydo (talk) 11:52, 30 August 2016 (MDT)

5 is now 4; 4 is now slimes

Hello everyone, I have decided to move the Holy-themed magazine to issue 5. Thank-you to everyone who has helped on it so far, but I'm just struggling on the 3.5e material and I'm not 100% happy with some of the other submissions. This will give me some time to work on it and await more submissions.

I am now going to prepare for the new issue 4, and the theme is going to be Slimes and Oozes. Marasmusine (talk) 01:54, 23 October 2016 (MDT)

Understood, the project of ooze dragon is on go. You can count on me for that. --Azernath (talk) 02:33, 23 October 2016 (MDT)

If I may, wouldn't most amorphous creatures work inside of a slime theme? What of an off breed of water elementals? Or converting 3.5 Ebberons living spells into a template to have fun with (I think they were an ooze type)? Druids who play with algae or Spells that mess with liquids and such could also be a possible thematic expansion.--Gr7mm Bobb (talk) 12:33, 18 January 2017 (MST)

The theme is "oozes & acids", so whatever you think. One of the 3.5e creatures already in uses the living spell template (uttervoid slosh - still my favourite creature name). What I really really need is someone familiar with 3.5e to have a look at D&D Wiki Magazine/Issue 4#Classes, and look for 3.5e material in general. I don't need new stuff making (unless it's inspired) when there's existing material that just needs a bit of a fix. Any help appreciated! Marasmusine (talk) 15:44, 18 January 2017 (MST)

Fair enough. Sadly my proficients with 3.X have been only lightly exercised in the last couple of years. Most of my recent time D&D-wise has been towards 5e. If you'd like I'll try and keep an eye out for the magazine articles to review if I feel I can actually positively contribute. I guess in the meantime as I post things, I'll try and leave a note if I feel it could be a contribution to your efforts. Not certain where to ask this, but do you guys want help with things in the 5e feats? My wiki formatting is infantile atm, so I've been trying to stick to Creation and Balance in terms of help.--Gr7mm Bobb (talk) 20:14, 18 January 2017 (MST)

Contributions

I want to contribute a spell for the Holy issue but I do not know the rules for doing so, Is it like anybody can do so, or do you need to be on a certain list of creators, and if there is a list, is it even open? --Leíf (talk) 11:09, 25 January 2020 (MST)

I believe that any user can add appropriate pages to whatever D&D Wiki Magazine Issue are open, with only issue 4 and 5 being open right now.--Blobby383b (talk) 13:25, 25 January 2020 (MST)

Thank you very much--Leíf (talk) 07:53, 26 January 2020 (MST)