Talk:Choker of the Stolen Voice (5e Equipment)

I don't get how there is grammatical issues, what you you rather be there than "Once per long rest"

It would be "...You can do this X, and regain all uses on Y rest". It's a lot more specific. Also, why does this item use rests? Most regain charges at dawn, or some other time. Remember to sign your posts. --SwankyPants (talk) 13:31, 17 February 2021 (MST)

So, you just want it to have multiple charges, I do rests cause of what the item does, just used once and have to take a long rest to use it again, I will go through and fix wording mistakes, but the "Needs Attunment" and "Once per long rest" is not a grammitcal issue, and therefore does not require a fix, --Aar0n 14:05, 18 Febuary 2021 (MDT)

It's not that I want it to have charges, explicitly. Think of it like this, magic items are seperate to you. Even if you attuned, even if the item is deep within your skin, it is a seperate entity, not governed by your sleep schedule. This is why charges exist, and why a lot of items recharge at dawn/dusk/another specific time period.

Also, they are still incorrect. It ain't 5e wording, so it ain't right. It's pretty simple. --SwankyPants (talk) 14:32, 18 February 2021 (MST)

I'll fix it, but the fact it says "Needs" and not "Required" is so dumb and doesn't matter, they mean the same thing. I get what you mean, and i fair, but, so as they great request, ill switch it to, once per day, just for you, these issues are opinionated though. This page was fine, minus the few grammer mistakes, if you don't think auto attunment should be a thing, go through almost every cursed item, and ding it, cause most do automatic welding to the skin, cant ever take it off. Which is the equivlent of what I had here. thank you for the critism, ill fix it, but make sure to dicern between actual problems, and what you think is the correct way to make a page.

Once a day is worse, actually. It's even less specific than "Once per long rest". Please just use "You can do this once, and regain the use after a long/short or long rest". Sorry about semantics, but semantics is my job as self appointed janitor. --SwankyPants (talk) 14:43, 18 February 2021 (MST)

Your impossible, im leaving it as is, you can deal, also, talk with a real admin and get a real title as "Janitor", unless you can prove to me that you have been deemed someone in charge of cleaning items, badly i might add, this was the only item that was dinged, yet, i can promise you there are items before this with some form of "auto attunment", the fact that i used need and not required doesnt matter. I dont care you made multiple things, if you don't like the way something is worded, change it yourself or talk to an actual admin, Self Appointed does not count. your being nitpicky over something that doesn't matter. THIS IS HOMEBREW the fact it is not "Worded as 5e is" does not matter. This is not official content, as long as it has a general and neat layout that gets what info needs to be conveyed, then it's fine. Get an official title and then go and ding people.

Real admin here. Swanky's right. The fact that other pages on the wiki are of a similarly low quality does not excuse this one. --Nuke The Earth (talk) 14:58, 18 February 2021 (MST)

Which is fair, but it is NOT fair, that this was the only one singles out. I've spent hours working on these items i've made, if your going to ding a page on one specific thing, you HAVE to do the rest, I'm the reason this cursed item page doesn't have any items with official issues, if your going to say you don't like my TERMINOLOGY, then undo my changes ive made months ago to the normal form, and ill leave. It is not fair that one item gets dinged on "Auto attunment" just because mine says its auto attuned, which tells me all i have to do is get rid of the attunment part, and now everything is ok. Ding one, ding all. Thank You, if you don't like how ive worded stuff, cause theres pages that say one per long rest, fix it yourself, instead of getting someone else to do it, and then telling them the change is worse. Once, again, if you do not like my work, ill delete and take it elsewhere. and I know what ive made, or completely rewritten

Take a minute or two out of your day to hit the Recent Changes button. You haven't been singled out at all, we actually do do this for every other page. You're only getting more attention because you posted here, and I take my time to treat the people that do with some form of courtesy by explaining the reasoning behind tags and such. No hard feelings. --SwankyPants (talk) 15:10, 18 February 2021 (MST)

Calm down, take a chill pill, maybe think this through. I don't want to have to get an admin. Someone404 (talk) 15:15, 18 February 2021 (MST)

There IS an admin here, man. He specifically asked for one. --SwankyPants (talk) 15:16, 18 February 2021 (MST)

Fair Enough, and sry for over reacting. I find it frustrating that since something isn't "5e style" it needs to be revisioned. Certain things do need to be changed and/or deleted for reasons. But IMO you don't need to ding on Grammar on something that really doesn't matter. EX: using Needs instead of Requires, that's just a formality, and change very easily done by yourself. Once again, sry for freaking out, I'll walk away from here for a bit. PS, if anyone makes a peepee poopoo cannon... just no - Aar0n 15:20, 18 February 2021 (MST)

Clarification issues

I've read through the item and there are some specific features which I feel are not clear enough with the current wording. I'll list some of them with my concerns:

• What kind of action does the voice stealing attack use? An action? A BA? Does it synergize with Extra Attack?
• What is the damage type associated with that same attack? I would suggest piercing.
• On the second paragraph, the one describing the curse, do you mean "On a successful save, you do not need to make a save until the next morning...". In that case, I would suggest changing that with something like "When the choker is filled, and every day at dawn (or whatever moment of the day you prefer) while the choker remains filled, make a DC 13 Charisma saving throw".
• Usually you can cast Remove Curse at any point in time to get rid of a curse, unless some part of the text in the curse forbids you from doing so. Is this the case? If it isn't, something like "When remove Curse is cast on the Choker of the Stolen Voice, make a .... On a successful save, the curse ends normally and you can remove the choker safely. On a failed save, you instead..." would be easier to understand imo.
• What does the whole "you fight until you die or win" thing do? Does this apply to charmed creatures? (be aware that a charmed creature cannot harm the charmer) Is it implemented as a new flaw? Or does this apply to absolutely anyone that stands in your path?

Apart from that, these are some other things I would like to add and general suggestions:

• There are some grammatical errors throughout the text, such as in "...connects to the attune's voice box. Only ..." The word "attune" is a verb, and as such, something like "the attuned creature" would be more appropiate. The real issue with these are wording issues (the ones that have already been pointed out by others) because they can lead to misunderstandings and rules ambiguity, which as you probably know are usually errata'd by WotC themselves as soon as they are found in any official content. Anyway, this has already been discussed by others so I won't add much more.
• I think dividing the paragraphs, specially the first one in two or more features would help make this item easier to understand. For example, you could have a separate feature for the attack and yet another one for the pearls and how can you destroy them.
• Why are all the saving throws Charisma st? They sound more like Constitution ST in my opinion. Pure curiosity on this one.

As a last word, I do think that this page would benefit from a better wording. Please keep in mind that we are only trying to convey our opinions so that this page can be even better (the concept sounds really cool, btw ;) ) and no misunderstandings or rules incoherences ruin it. And yeah, the difference between "need" and "require" is not that significative but hey, better safe than sorry. You would be surprised as to how many things can change when you twist the mechanical part of the wording in some spells and features. Draelm (talk) 16:07, 18 February 2021 (MST)

thanks, i made the changes, i was over reacting, it was dumb, that was on me. 205.127.92.76 11:52, 22 February 2021 (MST)