Talk:Anuran (5e Race)

— This article did not become a featured article. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 13:48, 5 September 2018 (MDT)
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Tiny Anuran

Musicus Meter Score: 6-7

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Small Anuran

Musicus Meter Score: 6.5

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--ConcealedLight (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2018 (MDT)

Featured Article Nominee

I believe this race has the potential to be a featured article. I am nominating this page as a featured article, I've looked at it myself and I believe it stands a very good chance though other users may notice some issues before its approval. As normal this page needs to be supported, commented, or opposed from within the community, and double checked for confirmation to featured article formatting and content standards by someone who will then let us know how well it meets these criteria. --ConcealedLight (talk) 03:32, 24 January 2018 (MST)

Support: They are good frog friends. I feel they are not too weak or too powerful, and they have an adequate amount of lore and history. Ultimately, I don't feel the page is particularly outstanding or creative in quality, but I do think it's good enough to be a featured article (Varkarrus (talk) 16:18, 15 February 2018 (MST))

Support: I feel as though this race is not only well written but also superbly balanced. I agree with the honor it is attempting to earn. --Cotsu Malcior (talk) 10:09, 22 June 2018 (MDT)

• Comment If the image is to be displayed on the Main Page then it needs to be locally uploaded. Also, this image needs an author. --Green Dragon (talk) 10:36, 13 March 2018 (MDT)

• Comment This race feels like it is missing something. I checked some other featured articles and those had a history of the race. Maybe that will help connect with these fellas. Their hands aren't useful for wielding weapons but there's no mention in traits and image they're wielding a weapon. Traits overlap each other a lot. Same benefits listed multiple times in other traits. What does being the sole focus mean for forest subrace? Advantage vs poison and resist is a lot stronger than the other two. Is natural poison always available? How does gliding down work in a plains environment? Are they gliding because of branches or something due to their physique? BigShotFancyMan (talk) 04:34, 20 April 2018 (MDT)

In regards to the weapons the race would use the Tiny PC variant rule which gives the information on such handling. I don't see anything listing multiple times could you elaborate? The idea is that if you were facing a creature in a one on one or that creature is looking directly at you, you can't just vanish because you rolled high on your stealth check. The poison resistance/adv seems fine compared to the other subraces and to the first party content. I suppose it shouldn't be now that I think about it, I'll make it short rest. Gliding is done due to their physique it isn't dependant on them being in a jungle environment. --ConcealedLight (talk) 04:53, 20 April 2018 (MDT)

So it's more that its hands aren't very useful for medium size tools and weapons? Alright, poorly worded my question on sole focus; combat system has since 3.5 has been you have 360 degree vision. I foresee great discussions at the table or numerous questions "Am I the sole focus?" happening. Maybe allowing to take place out of combat only would help. I'd also point out, this is similar to a level 10 Unearthed Arcana Ranger Feature, Hide in Plain Sight. I wasn't comparing the poison stuff core books, but the subraces in of itself. This trait is strong while the others are, "meh".

Amphibian lists swim speed, it is also in the speed category. Compared Aarakocra, flight is listed only in the trait block. Or similar to the climb speed in the race, listed in a trait but not on the speed trait. I thought there were more examples, but this is the only one, I apologize for that. (twas a wee late :p)

I didn't listed before, what does sticky tongue even do? BigShotFancyMan (talk) 10:15, 20 April 2018 (MDT)

Then why is there an item that grants you 360 degrees of vision :thinking:. Robe of Many Eyes. The only similarity between that feature this trait is the stealth concept, the trait only allows you to roll a stealth check before most things(except surprise round) happens. I think that comment about everything else being meh is unfounded/unhelpful. It is listed ther because all special movements unless subrace specific should be listed there as per the preload. Sticky Tongue is a trait the base race has, they are a tiny race so it helps them minipulate objects within 5 feet like normal creatures. --ConcealedLight (talk) 11:01, 20 April 2018 (MDT)

The robe's text about all around vision is flavor, the point is the adv. on perception. I don't have a founded or helpful comment why the traits are comparable either. I looked at the meter ratings and understand your opposition now. It says poison resilience is .5, climbing is .5/10ft, and gliding aka nerfed feather fall is .5. I think that's all your going to argue but I'd say that the impact of damage resistance is superior to those in a game setting. None-the-less, this would just be circular. I'll look into some other pages regarding that preload talk, not to dispute, but for myself. BigShotFancyMan (talk) 12:29, 20 April 2018 (MDT)

Comment. A few ideas. I wonder if making a few more of the tiny race's features usable for a standard campaign would help make this race a little more appealing.

• Instead of needing to share a space, why not allow sticky tongue to attack with small weapons if you are sharing a space, and with tiny ones up to the 5 feet?
• If the Forest subrace moved with their swim and land speed while hidden their options in combat would be better.
• If the Swamp subrace could use their movement while also near a body of water, then this would also make them more appealing.
• For the Jungle subrace, why is the small size variant more poisonous than the tiny one? I feel that adding a gliding movement choice, rather than just falling, would make this subrace better.
• You need to add {{Design Note}} before the traits. --Green Dragon (talk) 22:46, 7 May 2018 (MDT)

Response:

• I'm not sure how exactly I'd word that in and I think the power level of the race/versitility of the trait is enough.
• When a creature is hidden they can only move at half their speed to remain hidden. Unless their rangers I believe. So, how's this, "While hidden you may move a distance equal to your twice your walking speed plus your swimming speed without breaking stealth." ? Also, which size are you suggesting this trait get added to, Small or Tiny?
• How near is near in this case? I think it is good as it is and highlights the advantage an alruane character gets the moment they get on water by gaining an advantage that they otherwise wouldn't have.
• First thing I thought of was because the Small version is an overall nerfed version of the Tiny across the board, the second thing I thought of was "Smaller bodies, same amount of poison" which is an amusing thought. Other point, I'm pretty sure that is what the trait for the Tiny version of the Jungle subrace is saying, "While gliding you fall at a rate of up to 10 feet per round and can move up to 15 feet in any direction but upwards." or am I not seeing something here.
• Done.

--ConcealedLight (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2018 (MDT)

I regret that you may have taken some of my comments out of context.

My first comment intended to make the non-variant race actually appealing. Tiny weapons are really bad. Would you want me to take a stab at getting this to work?

I meant that when hidden, they could move at either one of their speeds.

The swamp subrace would just need to be in a swamp environment. --Green Dragon (talk) 08:44, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

Ah, ok. I see where I got lost :P —ConcealedLight (talk) 19:59, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

May I be as 'impolite' as to answer for CL and take you up on your offer to take a stab at the non-variant race / tiny weapon business? I would love for the Anuran to keep getting better with every edit. --ConcealedWife (talk) 10:27, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

If GD doesn't mind(which I'm sure he doesn't) go for it. —ConcealedLight (talk) 19:59, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

Go for it! --Green Dragon (talk) 22:21, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

I'm not entirely sure if this was taken as "I want to work on it" rather than "I would love for you to take a stab at it", but I will try regardless. :) --ConcealedWife (talk) 11:00, 6 June 2018 (MDT)

Extention. - Due to the current positive standing of the race and the continued effort to improve, this pages nomination will be extended for an additional month until it has reached an acceptable point for succession. If it doesn't it will fall under standard rulings. —ConcealedLight (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2018 (MDT)

I've failed this FA nominee on the basis that it hasn't been touched since the above extension, and we're well past the one month that the nomination was extended for. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 13:48, 5 September 2018 (MDT)

Yup. No complaint on my part. —ConcealedLight (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2018 (MDT)