Talk:Mogogol (5e Race)

— This article did not become a featured article. 01:32, 13 July 2019 (MDT)
Please feel free to re-nominate it once it meets the FA criteria and when all the major issues brought up in this nomination have been dealt with.

Featured Article Nomination

Yeah these guys are kinda cool with decent, fleshed out lore. I'm nominating them, hope you don't mind. Varkarrus (talk) 12:18, 9 January 2019 (MST)

• Comment: Okay yeah there actually Is one thing that's actually gonna make me hesitate for voting yes even though I did nominate them. I'm not fond of the "all mogogols are good no exceptions" thing. Varkarrus (talk) 12:22, 9 January 2019 (MST)

Haven't looked over completely but yes; there are always exceptions to alignment. Few facts in this world but this is pretty widely accepted. ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 07:45, 11 January 2019 (MST)

• Comment: The size needs to to be set to Small rather than you pick(because that makes little sense) and clean up the wording for the Grasping Tongue trait as "grapple manoeuvre" isn't a term and it isn't the way you'd say what I believe is intended. In terms of lore, I would still favour the Anuran's as the frog people race. Likeable page, but not FA material as it stands. —ConcealedLight (talk) 07:18, 11 January 2019 (MST)

Why can't players pick their size? or why doesn't it make sense? Seems like a another option for players to play what they wish. ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 07:43, 11 January 2019 (MST)

Small size is 2-4 feet, Medium size is 4-8 feet. From a precedent point of view, there is no race in 5th edition that allows you to choose your size category nor is there one that is spread across two size categories. Then from a lore perspective, there is nothing about this race in the lore it has given or about frogs in the natural world that would justify it being spread across two size categories. In short, there is no reason for it and if there is no reason for it why it is there. Hope that helps. —ConcealedLight (talk) 16:34, 11 January 2019 (MST)

Well we’ve got FAs that don’t follow precedent (Giant and the plant). And these are inspired by frogs, not literal frogs. There’s no frog in the natural world that speaks common :/ frogs do vary in size. Not on a scale of 2-4 feet vs 5-6 ft but they vary. Sorry, doesn’t really help me. ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2019 (MST)

• Comment. Holding off on a vote for now. The lore is thorough. The traits aren't new though, except the tongue grasp. They have that, skills pros, swim & hold breath. ASIs are a little unique but overall I don't feel there is a new dimension added to the game. ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 07:53, 11 January 2019 (MST)

• Comment: I take two issues with this race: the first is the forced good alignment as Varkarrus mentioned, and the other is the size issue ConcealedLight mentioned. Perhaps the alignment could be reworked into being heavily cultural, rather than an innate part of their being? Perhaps committing evil acts making them physically sick could be a form of nocebo effect? ie, believing something to be harmful making it actually harmful. As for size, my issue isn't that they get to choose their size, but rather that there is no mechanical reason to choose to be small. Small size is objectively a disadvantage compared to being Medium: they have a slower land speed and are unable to use heavy weapons; most importantly for this race, the longbow and heavy crossbow. I'm not opposed to this, but I do think it needs a bit more work before it's at a point where I'd be comfortable with it being a FA. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 12:03, 17 January 2019 (MST)

• Comment. I like the "frog race" stereotype, but there are some concerns with this race. Their names are bases off of their titles, but what should the player choose? Why are they always good aligned, it's just stated on this page but it seems like an afterthought? I'm not opposed to different sizes, but I would include them into the subraces. Maybe the large one has an improved tongue in a new way, whereas the small one is poisonous? --Green Dragon (talk) 09:11, 30 January 2019 (MST)

• Comment. One month to go! ~ BigShotFancyMan 07:31, 15 May 2019 (MDT)

Two months. weird how time works gah. ~ BigShotFancyMan 07:39, 15 May 2019 (MDT)

• Comment. They are really close to an official D&D creature, bullywugs. It would be good to know how they would interact and ideally more differentation. I mean, if we put this on the front page, visitors are going to think "they are just bullywugs, aren't they?". Marasmusine (talk) 06:42, 30 May 2019 (MDT)

• Oppose. I don't believe this page is FAN material as said a few months back. I'll give a more succulent response tomorrow. —ConcealedLight (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

• Oppose. The discribed physiology is fun and fleshed out, i think the size range is actually fine and adds to the race. However the actual race lore is lacking, there's no reason given as the why this race exists or what role they serve in the world except rhat they are very good frogs. The forced alignmwnt has no lore to define why that would be. Whalebone (talk) 16:14, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

• Oppose. The description really is like actual frogfolk that are official (like the bullywug someone said?). They, however, have an odd need to be of the good alignment, which isn't really fleshed out (nor do I think it a wise thing to have since it isn't a creature like a fiend or celestial). They also lack an amphibious trait despite being part frogs, which are amphibians (more lore to elaborate is needed, maybe?). The society section should be divided because a large portion is a biology lesson about the race. For the reasons I have stated, I don't think this is to be featured material.--Yanied (talk) 20:00, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

This page has exceeded its nomination duration and has subsequently failed its nomination due to consensus being in opposition of its elevation to Featured Article status. —ConcealedLight (talk) 01:32, 13 July 2019 (MDT)