Talk:Frost Demon (5e Race)

Major Edit

I was considering adding subclasses, one for Freeza and one for Cooler (possible King Cold/Chilled subclass?), thus restricting Ultimate Form to a subclass. I am also considering replacing the first equipment option with Battle Armor (it doesn’t really change how you build your character because chances are you’ll have more than a collective +6 in your 2 most important ability scores) and making a specific page for the Scouter. -Ref3rence (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2019 (MDT)

I have finished my subclass variant here. If anybody still watches this talk page, please let me know what you think of it. If no objections are stated, I will update this page around 15:00 MST today. -Ref3rence (talk) 06:42, 6 January 2020 (MST)

Restoration

Considering this page was recreated in a similar form (if memory serves) less than two months after it was deleted, could we also restore the deleted talk page? - Guy (talk)

Might be better as a Composite Class

Just because you're in this awkward position of trying to summarize everything a Frieza Clansmen is capable of in the small space of a race page while also not making it overpowered, it might be better to make them as a Composite Class a la the Chimera instead. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 135.23.212.109 (talk). Please sign your posts.

I agree. I made a similar suggestion on the previously-deleted talk page for this previously-deleted page, even. - Guy (talk) 07:21, 18 November 2017 (MST)

I'd love to see this as a composite class, I'd be down to help some others create it as one if anyone else is interested. PlutoJerusalem (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2018 (PST)

I've created a composite class for this race, it's not quite done yet but here it is. This is my first homebrew race or class, and it's meant to be a good deal stronger than official classes for the express purpose of being used in epic campaigns or similarly boosted-up campaigns, thus why I took some liberties with it. Either way here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fMtNx5E9Da_gDdu6wdoblpAolAmbPcEAmJY35md0Vrw/edit?usp=sharing PlutoJerusalem (talk) 18:06, 13 June 2018 (PST)

You should avoid linking external documentation and we won't review content unless you upload it locally. You can do so by making a composite class pass or adding it to the page with a separator. I'd recommend the later for ease of use. Just make sure to use the 5e Class Preload. While it does look like a mess you can just copy it in. —ConcealedLight (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2018 (MDT)

How would I go about adding that seperator? Just stick the preload right above the 5e Breadcrumb and put the class in-between the breadcrumb and preload? PlutoJerusalem (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2018 (PST)

Just add in one of these between the preload and the content on a new line ----. I'll tweak the formatting if you need help. —ConcealedLight (talk) 21:01, 14 June 2018 (MDT)

Alright I just tried, at a glance it looks solid but you'll definitely want to tweak it. If you just get things generally formatted right, I can clean up the rest. PlutoJerusalem (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2018 (PST)

I fixed it and left some instructions. —ConcealedLight (talk) 21:54, 14 June 2018 (MDT)

I'm working on putting everything from the original into that template. I'm leaving for a few days in a few hours, so it may be halted temporarily because of that if it's not finished. I'll be able to finish it on the 17th if it's not done by today PlutoJerusalem (talk) 14:19, 15 June 2018 (PST)

I've added all of the Class features and related things to the page, but not the race stuff since I didn't see an area to put that. Should I overwrite the current stuff on this page for the race with my version? (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2018 (PST)

Given the amount of work you've already put in, the nature of the relationship between composite classes and their race as well as the race requires a rework to even be playable I'd say that's fine. 'Be Bold as we say here on the wiki. Try to keep the race as inline with the first party races though since you've moved the power to the class so it doesn't need to be anything crazy. —ConcealedLight (talk) 20:29, 15 June 2018 (MDT)

Done. If it needs any rebalancing I can do it, I did intend it to be a bit strong since I designed it for a campaign with friends and we like slightly inflated power, but for the version on the wiki I'm fine with nerfing it for wider use. Also, could I get the title and categories updated for these changes? I don't know how to do that. PlutoJerusalem (talk) 12:10, 17 June 2018 (PST)

Fixing Issues

I'm the one who put most of this here (with help from ConcealedLight for formatting), and I need help with fixing the issues that the templates have brought up. I've nerfed Incredible Durability and moved Natural Armor from Race to Class. The race doesn't get any equipment, that's the class, so I'm not sure why "races shouldn't get equipment" is in the template. Beyond that, I see the main issue is minor grammar issues throughout; I don't actually know WHAT those problems are, so a quick summary would make it easier for me to fix them. Thanks in advance. PlutoJerusalem (talk) 20:08, 18 June 2018 (PST)

What you guys have done, and the name of the race

Hey, I was one of the people that edited the hell out of this a while back, and I must say that I absolutely love what you guys have done, especially with moving most of the form stuff out of race, and into a composite class with the race. I do however, have a one thing to say.

"Sorry but the whole Frieza clan was getting to me, if somebody actually done research on the topic their race is name the Frost Demons." Whoever said this is wrong. The Race, canonically in Dragon Ball Z, and all associated media is "Frieza's Race", "Frieza Clan" or "Frieza Clansmen", for the plain and simple reason that Toriyama has not created a name for the race.

They are known by the fandom as Frost Demons because of Xenoverse, as someone mentions that is what they call the race, akin to a nickname, but Toriyama has stated that they are just "Frieza's Race". Arcosians has been a name for them at one point, because the Arcosians were the race that brought the Saiyans into Space Piracy, but that was revealed to actually be a Dubbing issue. The closest thing that we have had to a race name is "Glaeris" which is the name for the race from the Malay dub of the Revenge of Cooler Movie.

I just felt the need to get the off my chest, and I do feel that that should maybe be mentioned in the Race information, something like "Nobody knows the true name of this race, but they are know on large as "Enter all the names here"." Something like that.

Given that, that is literally my only nitpick. I absolutely love what you guys have done, and I hope to help you guys edit and refine this in the future.

Thanks guys -Exo

Possible addition of the Black Form

I don't think I am knowledgeable enough about homebrewing to make this happen, but I think that I would at least mention it. Maybe there should be a variant rule or some other way of attaining the Black Frieza form "recently" shown in the manga. It could be a variant rule that replaces the Gold 100% Form, but I do not believe I have the ability to create that myself. I just figured if i could put the idea in someone with the talent and understandings' ear, then I might as well. If someone does make that happen, you are officially awesome.