Talk:Fae (5e Race)

This page is now how I want it to look like. If someone thinks something need to be changed or deleted please talk to me so I can look into it or explain why it is that way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MissLoyalty (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts.

This is a wiki, and as such you do not own this page and should not be displaying possessive behavior like the above message. It is long-standing policy that no one can claim sole ownership of a page; please see Help:Attribution Policy, Help:Legal, and Wikipedia's ownership policy. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 20:52, 4 June 2018 (MDT)

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I would like to break the lore of this page down put it back together in a way that gives PC's enough fluff to work with when creating a character and background for the said character. -- Concealedwife10:43PM, 22 May 2018 (GMT+1)

Be Bold. The lore is pretty poor as per the stub so it needs a rework anyways. Remember this is a wiki, so everything is a colabarative effort and no one has ownership of any page(s) per say. I don't mind putting in some effort around the traits since I did a rough touch up so it is at least playable/comparatively balanced. --ConcealedLight (talk) 21:23, 22 May 2018 (MDT)

Put my first edit in, currently awaiting feedback. Unsure of what to do with the "Fae Names" section as the concept of their names remaining a mystery is not explained at all, leaving me to question what the point the original author was. Also pondering on a "society" paragraph and whether its necessary or not. -- ConcealedWife 10:42PM, 23 May 2018 (GMT+1)

Society would be a plus

I would like to add in a society after I think through how it should be portrayed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MissLoyalty (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts.

--MissLoyalty (talk) 23:09, 4 June 2018 (MDT)

Please Read

This is not at all what I wanted when I set out to make this race I put weeks worth of work into this race before I even thought about posting it here. I got a lot of opinions and made changes accordingly including someone who had been a dungeon master for quite a few years. I was told it was that he thought it was balanced based on other races he has found on this site so I drew up the courage and put my work out there. It was rocky at first and I took the constructive criticism in the beginning fixing the race. Then all of a sudden that admin came in and destroyed all my work and yes I feel like that is exactly what she did and I hated it. So I got rid of what she did because she turned it into something she wanted, not what I envisioned or what is portrayed in the book this is base on. But I see that even though it was my idea, my little baby race, admins think it is theirs to edit despite what you guys say about it being no ones page. I was more then happy to work together in improving the race. I did not steamroll the page she did, All I did was restore it to my dream. I still would like to work together in this page if you all are, but if some of changes stay the way they are I would prefer admins just take this page down.

I like what you added to religion it is beautifully worded and kept my view in focus.

Please note that user ConcealedWife is not an administrator. Fellow admin ConcealedLight undid what appeared to him to be unconstructive edits, in his position as an admin, and added a small bit onto the page; I edited the page only in my capacity as an administrator.

As I said previously, other people can edit pages you create, and you need to be prepared for this. At the bottom of every edit box, including the one I am currently typing this message into, there is a message that says "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." If you truly do not want anyone else editing "your" page, you can move it into your userspace, where other users are not allowed to edit, except for administrators to remove content that breaks sitewide rules (per Help:Behavioral Policy#User Pages). If you do not know how to do this, I or another user would be willing to help you or do it for you. Note that if you do this you will also need to remove the categories from the page, as only pages in the mainspace are allowed to be on the race lists. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 23:13, 4 June 2018 (MDT)

I don’t think the reason “it’s a community and anyone can edit pages” justifies commandeering a page someone was working on. Could you please start putting yourself in the position you guys put these users in? *sigh* smh BigShotFancyMan (talk) 23:37, 4 June 2018 (MDT)

I forgot to mention, this is an example of users being confused by the similarity of a users names. BigShotFancyMan (talk) 23:49, 4 June 2018 (MDT)

That's fair; however, that doesn't excuse an ownership mentality (eg "It's MY page and no one else can edit it!") especially after being informed of the site ownership policy. I've definitely undone edits to pages I've created (for example, this edit to the page Neo Tarrasque (5e Creature); however, it's typically for a reason along the lines of "I don't think that's beneficial" as opposed to "It's MY page and no one else can edit it!" (for example, User talk:Geodude671#Neo Tarrasque where I explained my reasoning for the previously linked edit). It's fine to undo edits to a page you've created that you believe aren't constructive/beneficial, but users need to understand that being the creator of a page doesn't give someone ultimate authority over it. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 23:48, 4 June 2018 (MDT)

Miss Loyalty was open to edits, as said about the section she said was beautifully written. BigShotFancyMan (talk) 23:51, 4 June 2018 (MDT)

I don't believe "My page was trashed/destroyed and I hated it" fits with "beautifully written". Everything I wrote was a rework of what she had already written (What I could understand from it, anyway.) I simply tried to flesh the race out more as the page seemed abandoned. (Templates had been sitting on it since half April.) --ConcealedWife (talk) 08:55, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

Miss Loyalty, you stated that this was based off a book series; what series is that? I think sharing the source material would go a long way toward allowing other users to more easily edit the page constructively. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 00:29, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

Throne of glass series --MissLoyalty (talk) 00:54, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

Hello MissLoyalty. As stated above, I am in no way an administrator - I simply appear when I am called forth to clean up 5e lore. This page was pushed forward to me as it has been sitting with more and more templates for balance and lore stubs adding onto it. You never stated what the source for this race is and as such, the lore makes no sense to anyone who hasn't read the books. (For example: The naming makes no sense. Why are they so sacred? What hold does a creature hold over a Fae when they know their name? Is there even a negative side effect to anyone knowing their real name?). When you place a page on this wiki, you are putting it out there for other d&d players to use. Place yourself in their shoes when writing the race. Make sure they actually understand what is going on or your race will simply be disregarded. I apologize for barging in on a page you created but the no pages on the wiki are 'owned' by anyone. I try to stick as close to someone's original idea as I can when rewriting the lore but in some cases I am forced to 'trash' certain elements that do not work. --ConcealedWife (talk) 08:55, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

I have just edited the lore once more to make the sentences flow better. I would like to ask why you put the 'relations' paragraph back as this can easily be described in the 'personality' section - it would make sense for their personality to coincide with their relationship with others. --ConcealedWife (talk) 10:32, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

I will add that you should probably consider disconnecting the race from the source material or somehow convey that the race is affliated with a specific book, movie or series. Templates for such pages exist. --ConcealedWife (talk) 10:32, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

Here’s a link to help if you wish to keep the article affiliated with series: Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates#Disclaimers. When you scroll down you’ll find how to apply a Copyright Disclaimer. BigShotFancyMan (talk) 11:06, 5 June 2018 (MDT

I have put in the copyright thank you for your help on that i was unsure how to do so.--MissLoyalty (talk) 19:10, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

Unsure how to add society

I would like to add the settling in the society or into another category.--MissLoyalty (talk) 23:35, 4 June 2018 (MDT)

Copyright

I'm pretty sure I had the copyright right the first time Sarah J. Maas is the author/owner and the publishing company would be the franchise. I could be wrong but right now when I read the copyright it makes no sense.--MissLoyalty (talk) 23:30, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

You've gotten it the wrong way around. "Throne of Glass" is an intellectual property owned by Ms. Maas, in the same way that "Dungeons & Dragons" is an IP owned by Wizards of the Coast. The way you have it, the copyright disclaimer reads as if Throne of Glass is the owner, which doesn't make sense because that's not a person or company, and they wouldn't be able to "own" Ms. Maas because she's a real person. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 23:36, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

Okay thank you for explaining that it makes much more sense now.--MissLoyalty (talk) 23:43, 5 June 2018 (MDT)

adding legend

Most recent ip address was used to add the legend was done by myself (missloyalty). I just didn't fully log in. I thought the legend would be a nice touch, to explain why the fae have their true name in such a sacred view.--MissLoyalty (talk) 13:46, 5 January 2019 (MST)

You should include a section on example true names, and example aliases. Ideally with a proper naming scheme. —ConcealedLight (talk) 10:37, 6 January 2019 (MST)

The Settling

Okay so I understand that I previously had put this in and ConcealedLight reverted it for reasons stated. But I have wanted to add this part to the Fae for awhile. "The Settling" is a big deal to this race (its a big deal in the book that I based this race on). I understand that I'm not the best at writing, that's why I've wanted to kind of team up with ConcealedWife to help me because she writes things beautifully and has improved and as well as help me improve this race. The Settling is completely optional and I don't see what the harm is in adding it. If it doesn't make sense or someone thinks that it is to crippling to the character I would love to hear more ideas. But please don't just delete it, I and others have put a lot of work into the race and I try to make the race feel like the one from the book but in the D&D world. --MissLoyalty (talk) 16:43, 2 March 2019 (MST)

If this was just flavor I wouldn't have an issue with it but it is a confusing and horribly broken system. If I'm interpreting this correctly a player takes on a huge detriment and then after a period of time they gain the opposite of that detriment, so a -1 to all stats becomes a +1 to all stats, which they then get on top of their racial benefits. Which makes them by comparison to any other first party race far stronger. If you want to implement this questionable mechanic in your own game you can, if you want to write about the settling from a non-mechanical perspective you can, however, creating a new system that goes on top of a race that gives it such benefits/ detriments is not balanced and as such not welcome. Also, the page image appears to be really low quality and semi-broken, this should be fixed. —ConcealedLight (talk) 02:32, 3 March 2019 (MST)