Talk:5e Spell Preload

Suggested edit

The content page is locked from my edits. However, I thought the preload might be improved for new users (like me) so it's easier to understand at a glance, especially as there doesn't seem to be a separate guide for 5e spell creation. If you are able to edit the page itself and agree with these changes, please copy-paste them into the content page:

[[Category:Preload]]<nowiki><onlyinclude>{{5e Spell
|name=<!-- name of spell-->
|school=<!--Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination, Evocation, Illusion, Necromancy, Transmutation -->
|lvl=<!-- cantrip, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th -->
|casttime=<!-- 1 action, 1 reaction, 1 minute, etc. -->
|range=<!-- Self, Touch, 120 feet, Self (15-foot cube), etc. -->
|comp=<!-- spell components and/or foci -->
|dur=<!-- duration: Instantaneous, 1 minute, Up to 1 hour, 1 hour, "Concentration, up to 1 minute", etc. -->
}}

[[5e Summary::<!--Summary that is displayed on this page and in the spellbook.-->]]
<!--Detailed description of your spell, including targets, mechanics (saving throws), effects, etc.-->

'''''At Higher Levels.''''' When you cast this spell using a spell slot of X or higher <!--Replace X with your spell level plus one, describe how the spell improves with spell slots. Remove this section if not applicable.-->

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{{5e Bard Spells Breadcrumb}}<br/><!--if this cannot be cast by Bard, delete this entire line-->
{{5e Druid Spells Breadcrumb}}<br/><!--if this cannot be cast by Druid, delete this entire line-->
{{5e Paladin Spells Breadcrumb}}<br/><!--if this cannot be cast by Paladin, delete this entire line-->
{{5e Ranger Spells Breadcrumb}}<br/><!--if this cannot be cast by Ranger, delete this entire line-->
{{5e Sorcerer Spells Breadcrumb}}<br/><!--if this cannot be cast by Sorcerer, delete this entire line-->
{{5e Warlock Spells Breadcrumb}}<br/><!--if this cannot be cast by Warlock, delete this entire line-->
{{5e Wizard Spells Breadcrumb}}<!--if this cannot be cast by Wizard, delete this entire line-->
[[Category:DnD]]
[[Category:5e]]
[[Category:User]]
[[Category:Spell]]
[[Category:<!--class name--> <!--level-->]]<!--repeat for every class which can cast this spell-->
[[Category:Ritual]]<!--Remove this entire line if your spell is not a ritual.-->
</onlyinclude>

For the most part, I just listed numerous correctly-formatted options for each field. (E.g., "Evocation" is capitalized, and "cantrip" is listed instead of "0".) I listed all possible class breadcrumbs, which should make it easier to decide which classes should be able to access the spell without looking them all up separately. Finally, I moved </onlyinclude> to the end of the page, where I assume it belongs. — Guy (talk | edits) 10:09, 1 March 2017 (MST)

The spell school is only listed in capitals for cantrips, not for spells of 1st level or higher, so lightning bolt is a 3rd-level evocation. Also, rituals are listed as such after the school, for example, detect magic is a 1st-level divination (ritual). SirSprinkles (talk) 16:14, 1 March 2017 (MST)

I did notice how rituals were listed — or more specifically how the template is creating categories like "Category:Illusion (ritual)" instead of "Category:Illusion." I'm not sure how to fix that without messing up every existing 5e spell, though.

As for the other stuff, well, that's ideally why I think someone should edit the preload with such helpful information. Ideally it would be someone with more knowledge about it than me. — Guy (talk | edits) 16:41, 1 March 2017 (MST)

I updated the preload to your wording which is much better. Would making a |ritual=y/n parameter possibly fix this problem? --Green Dragon (talk) 16:12, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. If you're referring to the ritual/categorization issue, that was already resolved. (There's a discussion about it here.) Ideally Marasmusine's minor edit to the page could be preserved in the latest version. That is, removing the current second-to-last line, and re-adding the ritual parameter as it was. - Guy (talk) 17:12, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Great catch, thanks, and I should have noticed that the ritual parameter had been added. --Green Dragon (talk) 17:38, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Since it's along the same lines as this discussion, I just want to direct your attention back to Template talk:5e Creature#Improving the template. --Green Dragon (talk) 09:58, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

The preload is missing the Cleric spells breadcrumb. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs)‎ . . 19:02, 9 July 2017 (MDT)

Fixed. Good catch. SirSprinkles (talk) 19:41, 9 July 2017 (MDT)

School Names

Each of the school names starts with a capital letter, but spells of 1st to 9th level should all have the school name start with a lowercase letter. SirSprinkles (talk) 16:46, 27 July 2017 (MDT)

Enchantment?

Hi, I noticed that under the comment markers next to the school line, although Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination, Evocation, Illusion, Necromancy, Transmutation are included as guidelines for what school a spell should belong to, the Enchantment school isn't. It would be nice and perhaps less misleading if it was there. Quincy (talk) 17:17, 11 October 2018 (MDT)