Category talk:Base Classes (SRD)

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Racial Paragon classes[edit]

It appears that the racial paragon classes are not listed, correct? I don't know where they were originally published (Unearthed Arcana?), but they appear to be OGL. Would someone be willing to add these? I wouldn't mind doing the copying and pasting, but I'm not sure about the legal issues. I'm guessing they would be similar to when you added NBoF feats. --Cúthalion 13:16, 6 February 2007 (MST)

Yes, the wiki's copy of the SRD contains only what's in the Revised SRD. It does not contain any other OGC publishings. I, also, would like to have a copy of the OGC from the UA on the wiki, and I've added it to the wiki's to do list. If you want to add it to the wiki, I'd ask you make sure you transcribe it from a source that has it word-for-word from the Unearthed Arcana, because most websites that have other publisher's OGC (this wiki included), tend to modify the publishings a bit so that they're consolidated, more readable, reflect errata changes, etc... And though I'm not opposed to such changes (I've implemented a few myself), I like to be able to keep a record/history/some kind of traceable path of what's been changed. —Sledged (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2007 (MST)
Okay, first step. Where is a correct copy of the UA OGC content? --Green Dragon 11:51, 7 February 2007 (MST)
I'm pretty sure this content is good. Here is the webmaster's disclaimer. --Cúthalion 11:58, 7 February 2007 (MST)
I would have ported these long ago, except that I have no text source for these documents. I also have no absolute proof that they are OGL content. (I port nothing to the Wiki unless I have a firm reference.) Point me to the right place, and I am happy to give my blessings. --Dmilewski 12:27, 7 February 2007 (MST)
Good, good. Thanks for taking this over Dmilewski, I have never really liked adding and editing SRD material... Thanks in advance. --Green Dragon 12:40, 7 February 2007 (MST)
Are you asking for (the name of) a hardcopy? That I can't help you with. I suppose you could always write the webmaster and ask him his source. Just tell him you're part of an alternative website that's trying to make his site obsolete. I'm sure that will convince him to cooperate. :) --Cúthalion 13:50, 7 February 2007 (MST)
I'm half-tempted to ask Jans, phrasing it exactly like that, even though I already know it's from Unearthed Arcana. —Sledged (talk) 18:58, 7 February 2007 (MST)
Got my hands on a copy of UA. On page 2 it says:
Product Identity: The following items are hereby identified as Product Identity, as defined in the Open Gaming License version 1.0a, Section 1(e), and are not Open Content: All trademarks, registered trademarks, proper names (characters, deities, artifacts, places, etc.), artwork, trade dress, and the names and game statistics for the following monsters: beholder, displacer beast, gauth, githyanki, ghitzerai, mind flayer, slaad, umber hulk, and yuan-ti.
Open Content: Except for material designated as Product Identity (see above) and the githyanki/githzerai, slaad, and yuan-ti bloodlines in Chapter 1, the contents of this Wizards of the Coast™ game product are Open Game Content, as defined in the Open Gaming License version 1.0a Section 1(d). No portion of this work other than the material designated as Open Game Content may be reproduced in any form without written permission. To learn more about the Open Gaming License and the d20 System License, please visit www.wizards.com/d20.
The majority of the text is fair (open) game. —Sledged (talk) 18:58, 7 February 2007 (MST)
Good good. Thanks for doing that. I think I need to start buying more WotC books, for times like these... --Green Dragon 19:22, 7 February 2007 (MST)
If we can't lift this from an existing electronic source, we'll have to break the project into chunks and get many hands into the act. The same goes to any content marked OGL. We'll need both typers and editors. The baby is due anytime, so I'll be hitting week or two of disruption, or unexpectedly extra time, depending on how things turn out. --Dmilewski 12:17, 8 February 2007 (MST)
Cúthalion has already started with the racial paragon classes. I'm pretty sure he's getting it from d20srd.org. Since I have access to a hard copy of UA, I'll try to double-check his work. —Sledged (talk) 12:41, 8 February 2007 (MST)
Yup, that's where I'm getting it. --Cúthalion 20:15, 8 February 2007 (MST)
Alright. I will lock all the pages (sorry Cúthalion) and Sledged, please double check it. After that they should be done. --Green Dragon 22:39, 11 February 2007 (MST)
Sigh. So unappreciated ... ;)
BTW, there are still more paragon classes to add. I suppose once you and Sledged are done with your tweaks, I might go add some more. --Cúthalion 08:33, 12 February 2007 (MST)
Please add more. The only reason I said that was so I am sure that they are not incorrectly posted. Having two people look over something is better than one. Anyway, I do appreciate you adding them. --Green Dragon 10:39, 12 February 2007 (MST)

Paths to SRD classes[edit]

Is there a reason (other than historical) why the following paths lead to different pages?

  • SRD -> Classes -> Base Character Classes
  • D&D -> [Base Classes] Classes -> SRD

Thanks. --Cúthalion 13:23, 6 February 2007 (MST)

Because the link to the SRD base classes from DnD Classes takes you to a page containing only Base Classes, whereas the link from within the SRD to the classes takes you to all SRD classes: Base, NPC, and Prestige. If you're suggesting that page containing only the base classes is unnecessary, and want to see the two links go to the same pages, ask the others and see what they think. —Sledged (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2007 (MST)
Another reason is that this Wiki has been divided since the beginning between homebrew and SRD material. Only recently have Homebrew pages started linking to and including SRD items in tables and lists, DnD Classes is a perfect example of this. So, this Wiki is still divided between Homebrew and SRD material and when one clicks on a SRD item thay "get lost" in the SRD, just like when one clickes a homebrew item they would "get lost" in the homebrew part of D&D Wiki. I don't think that the SRD and the Homebrew items will ever be fully integrated into each other (e.g. the SRD links on DnD Classes do not show up in the "By Type" and the "With Descriptions part). However the reason the "Back to" footer is how they are is because they are supposed to reflect where one came from and if it is a SRD class it is expected they came from the SRD just like if it is a Homebrew class it is expected they came from D&D. Does this answer your question? --Green Dragon 12:00, 7 February 2007 (MST)
Sort of. My experience, however, is that having identical content in multiple locations causes far more problems than having multiple paths to the same location. In this case, you can always use [Back] to retrace your steps. --Cúthalion 12:07, 7 February 2007 (MST)
It seems that this particular page is obsolete, given that DPL can give you the same info:

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—Sledged (talk) 13:37, 7 February 2007 (MST)

By all means, obsolesce, obsolesce! --Cúthalion 13:44, 7 February 2007 (MST)
??? I do not understand... --Green Dragon 14:01, 7 February 2007 (MST)
What, you mean my comment? I understood Sledged to be suggesting that the hardcoded page should be replaced with an automatically generated DPL table. I was expressing my approval.
Boy, I must be even more abstruse than usual today. :) --Cúthalion 14:12, 7 February 2007 (MST)
Or it's just me being sick... --Green Dragon 19:29, 7 February 2007 (MST)
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