User talk:Graulas

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Spells

Hi Graulas, thank-you for contributing a lot of new 5e spells, but please can you do me some favours. 1) Where you have converted a spell from an older edition, like leomond's trap, please can you note the original source on the talk page. 2) For many of the spells, you haven't added the breadcrumbs and categories for the actual classes that can use the spell. 3) Some spells in the PHB already perform the function of some of your spells, so it might be worth reading through the PHB spells. Marasmusine (talk) 02:15, 26 February 2017 (MST)

Ok i'll make sure to do this, and they are all from an outside source, I myself haven't made the spells, i've just put them on the wiki, for the spells from older editions, i'll state the edition that had it, as well as the source I got it from, should I provide a link to the source (which by the way is, "The (Not really) Complete Tome of Spells") or not. Also the reason I hadn't added the breadcrumbs is because i'm a little bit confused as to how to do that, could you either help me with understanding how to do that, or send me a link with instructions. As for the spells that are like the PHB spells i'll make sure to look through and see which ones are the same and get rid of them. Thanks for your time in helping improve the wiki. --Graulas (talk) 10:51, 26 February 2017 (MST)

Hello. If the spells are word-for-word from another source, then we need to know what license that source is under, as we can't copy things that aren't under a copyleft license.

For the breadcrumbs, you replace the comment markers <!-- and --> with whatever it asks you to put in.

So for a a 1st-level wizard spell is

{{5e <!--class name--> Spells Breadcrumb}} should read {{5e Wizard Spells Breadcrumb}}

and

[[Category:<!--class name--> <!--level-->]] should read [[Category:Wizard 1]]

Marasmusine (talk) 12:03, 26 February 2017 (MST)

Thank you, the sources disclaimer stated,

"The Wizard’s Spell Compendium Volumes I-IV and the Priest’s Spell Compendium Volumes I-III and everything in them are © TSR, Inc., and Wizards of the Coast, and have been updated without permission. No violation of copywrite is intended or implied. Everything here belongs to you, WotC. I would have asked permission but I was afraid the NO-SASE Ogre would eat my request. WotC has them trained, you know. Sneaky, sneaky WoTC."

Now I don't know too much about copywright laws, however is anything is in violation then i'd love to know why, that way I can now for next time. I would also like to know how one deletes a page, seeing as many of these spells are like others in the PHB, or could be replaced by various other ones. --Graulas (talk) 12:08, 26 February 2017 (MST)

If you need something deleting, put {{needsadmin}} at the top and I'll attend to it later.

I'm looking at the source now on Reddit. It looks like what the author has done is made 5e conversions of older WotC spells (which is fine, it's transformitive, I've done it myself). However, the author hasn't released the document under a copyleft license, so we must assume copyright.

What this means is that we need that author's permission to copy his/her work (the email is in the document), and we need permission to use it under the GNU free documentation license this wiki uses (which allows us to modify and distribute it [it's a wiki]) Marasmusine (talk) 12:20, 26 February 2017 (MST)

Isn't the 5e SRD under OGL, hence creating that content is OGL? At least, that was the way it used to work in 3e. Also, I compared some of the text to the AD&D source and it doesn't appear to infringe on any copyright. There's the spell names, but anything generic enough shouldn't pose an issue. As you said: transformative work.--GamerAim (talk) 07:43, 27 February 2017 (MST)

This is to do with implicit copyright of "The (Not really) Complete Tome of Spells". Marasmusine (talk) 02:00, 28 February 2017 (MST)

I know: "that content" being The (Not really) Complete Tome of Spells, which doesn't even have any copyright information besides "WotC owns this" despite it clearly being a transformative work. I guess this means that the writer bequeathed it to Wizards of the Coast and we need their permission to repost spell descriptions that they don't even know they own. This is why I hate copyright >_>--GamerAim (talk) 06:33, 28 February 2017 (MST)