Talk:Wyrm Knight (3.5e Prestige Class)

a litle over powered i like it but getting a great wyrm companion? a bit much -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.228.235.96 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts.

I have to agree with the IP on this one. A dragon's age category is determined by their Hit Dice, and for just about all of them Great Wyrm is at about 40 HD (a white dragon, which seems to be to be about the weakest around, reaches Great Wyrm level at 36 Hit Dice). If the dragon companion is supposed to have about the same Hit Dice as the wyrm knight, then the knight could have a juvenile white dragon at 12th level. If it was a gold dragon, the knight would have to be 17th level. It's a great premise for a class; dragon riders are awesome, in my opinion. All I'm saying is the Hit Die don't add up. Great wyrm dragons are supposed to be so powerful that only a few exist, and getting one as a mount at, say, 16th level sounds rather overpowered. To be fair, a Gargantuan or Colossal dragon doesn't realy add up to a good mount for a Medium-size character (it seems more fitting for a giant, to be honest); I would expect that the mount for a Medium character would be Large, or at the most Huge. I hope you will take this into account. - TG Cid 22:14, 24 June 2009 (MDT)

Hit dice has little correlation to how tough something is, though; challenge rating is a much better metric to use here. Surgo 23:10, 24 June 2009 (MDT)

Some people need to learn to read. --Avlindrel FallenTree 17:36, 7 July 2009 (MDT)

I see now that the dragon companion doesn't have a dragon's base statistics. I'm with it now. - TG Cid 18:19, 8 July 2009 (MDT)

Rating

Power - 1/5 I give this class a 1 out of 5 because it is ridiculously overpowered. --68.147.42.72 13:41, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

Wording - 4/5 I give this class a 4 out of 5 because it is well-worded. --68.147.42.72 13:41, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

|Formatting]] - 4/5 I give this class a 4 out of 5 because the formatting is fine. --68.147.42.72 13:41, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

'Flavor - 1/5' I give this class a 1 out of 5 because it is so overpowered that it comes off as a joke. --68.147.42.72 13:41, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

Power ≠ flavor. Rating negated. -- Jota 15:00, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

Again, above. --Avlindrel FallenTree 17:36, 7 July 2009 (MDT)

The thing is, you explicitly state the age category of the dragon companion, and then say something about its hit dice. That said, a juvenile gold dragon (acquirable at 7th level - class entry) has a CR of 11. Hit dice are a part of CR, but there are other things that make the dragon CR 11, like breath weapon, AC, ability scores, etc. that are unaffected by the modified hit dice which you seem to propose (if I am reading it right; otherwise maybe you need to reword things). The gap between wyrm knight and dragon companion only grows until it caps at 12 (at most: gold great wyrm 27 vs. 15th level character). I mean (again, if I am reading this right), a great gold wyrm with 13 hit dice still should be able to destroy pretty much anything a level 15 character will encounter. Your mechanic, assuming I am reading it correctly (and I read pretty well, so while there's a chance I and two others have all made a similar mistake, there's also a possibility you have worded it awkwardly or poorly, and that has lead to this confusion), is broken. -- Jota 18:21, 7 July 2009 (MDT)

Stated in the description, the companion has 2 less HD than it's Wyrm Knight master. It has the effective claw attacks, and bite attack of a dragon. It has the resistance, and weaknesses of it's dragon kind. It's really OverPowered by it's HDxD# breath attack, but give the fact that the dragon produces it in smaller area, and suffers from lower stats than their master, they're just that, a companion. If it makes it simpler, I can actually list the stats of the companion at each 'age category', allowing it a more clarified view. I'll work on it tonight. --Avlindrel FallenTree 17:48, 8 July 2009 (MDT)

Old Companions

What happens to the old companions. Is the older dragons the same as the young one you get at the start or does it just disapear. Do you keep both or do you let the dragon you've grown attached to leave forever.--Milo High-Hill 18:12, 20 September 2010 (MDT)