Talk:Tiamat (3.5e Deity)

Umm isn't Tiamat from the Dragonlance chronicals, i.e. not OGL? If I am wrong no worries but I think we might be running afoul of copyright here. Tivanir (talk) 10:14, 13 May 2014 (MDT)

Disregard I just realized that this is for the Tirr supplement, though I would add that it is from the Tirr pantheon in the title to avoid future confusion or concerns. Tivanir (talk) 10:16, 13 May 2014 (MDT)

Yes, the Tiamat listed here is an alternative version used in the Tirr setting, though she is an Aesirean deity rather than part of the Pantheon. That said, I was under the impression that conforming to page-name standards made the current name appropriate, as a derivative page would require another existing version already be present, and/or that the page would have to be integral to the Tirr campaign and not usable for normal games (This deity would be, even though the breadth of her entry is for Tirr). A disambiguation would not be a bad addition, however, I would suggest. Something like what I used for Barbarian, Tirr or Samurai, for instance, near the top of the page? Jwguy (talk) 12:17, 13 May 2014 (MDT)

For OGL variants and non OGL variants we always have them list it as a variant so for deities I believe it would be the same practice. Tivanir (talk) 14:54, 13 May 2014 (MDT)

I would argue that is not the case, insofar as you appear stating that it is the standard; Many of our pages, long-standing ones, even, are variants of existing classes, OGL or not, and occupy the primary slot without a variant descriptor, even after many visits and changes by many of our long-time editors and administrators. Take for example [[Ninja (3.5e Class)]], [[Samurai (3.5e Class)]], [[Catfolk (3.5e Race)]], [[Human (3.5e Race)]], Naga (3.5e Race), Master of Masks (3.5e Prestige Class), etc. (The Naga might be pushing it, given that it is a creature in the OGL material, technically, but is a variant on an already available race, still). All of those examples are things I found with a quick search which are variants of existing material found in books, and I am certain there are countless others. There is no consistency among them; Some note that they are variants via Categories, some do so with notices on the page, and others have no notice, whatsoever, but are variants nonetheless.

A quick search of all the wikis talk pages and discussion pages for "Variants" does not appear to yield any relevant decision to regulate variants by specific title standards, nor do the closest matches seem to indicate that this is standard, either: This, for example, is regarding personal opinions on the subject, but no true consensus or decision being reached. Furthermore, neither our preloads nor our Design Guidelines mention any requirement, preference, nor precedent for the supposed standard, either. Ultimately, the only thing that seems to make variant nomenclature in the manner you suggest occur seems to be the fact that no two pages can occupy the same URL. From a cursory glance at some pages that have been changed to meet this nomenclature, aside from those moved by their authors (seemingly of their own will), appear to have been performed by yourself. Few examples seem to exist otherwise in the sample pages that I pulled, at least. While I don't necessarily dislike or disagree with your reasoning, this appears as neither consensus nor rule.

Given that the implementation of such a standard would require many changes across the board to most of the various categories of our Wiki (Preloads, guidelines, and other instructional material would need to be changed in order for such a standard to be effective, on top of correcting the pages, themselves), I would, as a rule, not pursue changes of this nature without confirming it as a rule or by consensus. Jwguy (talk) 07:59, 14 May 2014 (MDT)

Tiamat

who ever wrote this entry doesn't know what they are talking about Tiamat is lawful evil and her home plane is Avernus in the nine hells. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2602:306:364b:b210:e8e7:71be:6f78:db87 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 29 June 2016‎. Please sign your posts.

This page, as noted in the categories, flavor text, and even in the section above your post, details the deity Tiamat as she appears in the Tirr (3.5e Campaign Setting). --Jwguy (talk) 00:57, 2 July 2016 (MDT)