Talk:Sword Saint (3.5e Prestige Class)

Complete Rebalance & Standardization

I've COMPLETELY rebalanced this to a normal prestige class with 10 levels, while trying my best to maintain the spirit/intent of the original author, only without the massive munchkinism. I had to seriously nerf some of the class powers as they were beyond munchkin, even compared to some official prestige classes considered to be "power gamer-y". Please correct any formatting issues I might have missed. I believe I've completely modified this prestige class to be in the standard format. There's no need to designate this as an epic level class, it can be taken before or after epic level threshold, using the standard epic level class progression rules in the Epic Level Handbook.--Darkzumi (talk) 02:46, 20 November 2016 (MST)

Damn, awesome work. A total workover turning this into a great class. Looks good as far as I can make out, so I've removed the improvement template. Just, sweet work. --SgtLion (talk) 13:59, 29 November 2016 (MST)

Epic Prestige Class

I added the class to the "Epic Prestige Class" category. Just seems easier to organize the Epic prestige classes this way lol.

Epicness and Saves

Though actually I am in the class of people who think epic should continue as normal progression, typically epic classes don't have saves or BAB, since they progress at an even rate for all classes.

In any case, what's with your saves, they got funky, and should end in 7-7-7. --Eiji 23:04, 11 February 2009 (MST)

The Bab also real weird. --Lord Dhazriel 23:14, 11 February 2009 (MST)

Oh, I just noticed, if you stagger the BAB differently (starting at +2 and going 1,2,1 you reach BAB +30 at level 20 without the need to awkwardly superimpose it in. If that's what you want to do with the BAB of course. --Starless Knight 7:48 23, November 2010 (MST)

Rating

Power - 5/5 I give this class a 5 out of 5 because it seems like a very balanced class, the only problem is that you have to be level 20 or higher to have +20 base attack bonus, so it is already epic, there is no point for an epic list. --Io 01:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

The entry requirements have been changed and as such this rating has been nullified. --Green Dragon 23:03, 4 May 2011 (MDT)

Wording - 4.5/5 I give this class a 4.5 out of 5 because it seems like a very well written class, but its 's just missing something. --Io 01:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Formatting - 4.5/5 I give this class a 4.5 out of 5 because it is a very well finished class, but it's not quite there somehow. --Io 01:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Flavor - 5/5 I give this class a 5 out of 5 because it is a very appealing class and it is just awsome. --Io 01:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

This class is another one of my "transformation" classes, along with Deathlock and a few others I'll be putting up. It can be extremely powerful, but initially makes the character really, really weak. If you're going to take it, take it as soon as you can so you don't fall behind others. The BAB and saves on here progress differantly since this is an epic transformation class - these values replace the existing BAB and saves, rather than altering them. The point is that you're trading in your first 20 levels + a few more for a much more powerful base class. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elsibor (talk • contribs) 20:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC). Please sign your posts.

Multi-classing

I understand the concept of not allowing this prestige class multi-class levels until level twenty. But why isn't this class allowed to multi-class into melee classes? As pure melee combatant wouldn't it make more sense that a Sword Saint wouldn't be allowed to multi-class into magic classes? As an aside you may want to clarify the terminology used here. "Melee" really doesn't apply to most classes. The Fighter class, for instance, can go range or melee. --Starless Knight 17, November 2010

Rating

Power - 1/5 I give this class a 1 out of 5 because it is totally out of balance with any other epic class in the book. Tone down on the instant crits and 20% kills for hitting someone. The saves and base attack need to be standardized, as well as the skill points (generally an even number). --Ganre 21:34, 17 November 2010 (MST)

Now I don't know about this by the time the epic mage hits the levels you're talking about they're esploding continents and summoning the roman legions/shambling armies of the undead/demonic and/or angelic pseudo PCs to do their bidding (which is like an army, but wrapped in a conveniently compact package). --Starless Knight 12:27, 23 November 2010 (MST)

The entry requirements have been changed and as such this rating has been nullified. --Green Dragon 23:03, 4 May 2011 (MDT)

With all due respect, I don't see how the entry requirements changed my opinion of this overpower class, sir. --Ganre (talk) 14:50, 18 September 2012 (MDT)

Wording - 3/5 I give this class a 3 out of 5 because the wording is generally thorough, but it is also needlessly complicated and contradictory. For example, you allow the character to keep shield feats, but do not allow them to use a shield. --Ganre 21:34, 17 November 2010 (MST)

Formatting - 3/5 I give this class a 3 out of 5 because it follows the preload, and tables are used, but linking and emphasis is not. --Ganre 21:34, 17 November 2010 (MST)

Flavor - 4/5 I give this class a 4 out of 5 because it is generally well thought out and interesting implemented idea. It will integrate well into a game, but the sword expert idea has been done quite a bit, you'd need to do something very interesting with it in order to rate a 5. --Ganre 21:34, 17 November 2010 (MST)

An Orphan?

The orignal author doesn't seem to be around anymore, and that makes me sad because I find this really interesting, but it obviously needs some more cleaning up (there are some inconsistancies, and logical gaps). So I wonder if we might have someone clean it up? Just putting it out there. --Starless Knight 23:18, 22 April 2011 (MDT)

I agree that this needs to be cleaned up and I would be willing to do it assuming no one else plans to. This class has a lot of potential and I'd hate to see it go to waste. --Trognar (talk) 16:28, 29 June 2012 (MDT)

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