Talk:Pegasus Boots (5e Equipment)
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Just a note, the Dash action doesn't purely double your movement. It effectively allows you to move again. The specific wording to the dash action usually doesn't matter, but this distinction is important when you consider what happens when you dash multiple times on a single turn. Instead of your movement speed quadrupling (being doubled twice), it is tripled. Your movement speed therefore doesn't increase, but rather you move twice (Or thrice, depending on how many times you dash). Most items and effects that make your dash better do so by allowing you to dash as a bonus action (Which doesn't prevent you from also dashing with your action, which combined still triples your movement). Doing it this way prevents the effect from stacking with having extra dashes. --Supersmily5 (talk) 00:28, 19 January 2020 (MST)
- I believe the effect is clear, concise, and balanced as it is. If a rogue wants to use a Cunning Action to Dash, use the action of these boots to Dash, and thereby have four times their speed for one turn, that seems balanced to me considering this item requires attunement.
- Needing a full action to start this special dash also seems appropriate to the source material. - Guy 21:47, 19 January 2020 (MST)
- The exponential increase in movement speed is what concerns me the most. Outside of spells, characters aren't meant to be the fastest creatures in existence. Give this to an Aarakocra monk, and they can easily outpace dimension door. However, as long as that IS your intention with the item, than there's nothing wrong with it. I'd certainly use it if that were the case. Given the Boots of Speed in the DMG are rare though, and these are better, they should have a much higher rarity. Even though it only functions if you use your action to dash, most of the time you'll only need high movement speed in situations that require you to use your action to dash anyway, and unlike the Boots of Speed, these boots can be used an infinite number of times without resting. --Supersmily5 (talk) 08:43, 20 January 2020 (MST)
- It isn't an "exponential increase." The pegasus boots only increase speed when using your action to Dash, not your bonus action to Dash. Are you suggesting that should be more specific?
- I think you're vastly downplaying action economy when comparing these two items, and also downplaying how much 10 minutes is across a day's worth of combat—you're practically never going to run out of juice. The boots of speed require only one bonus action to gain their benefit for an entire combat (and more importantly all opportunity attacks get disadvantage against you). The pegasus boots require to to waste every action you take Dashing to receive a lesser benefit of only speed increase. If I was munchkining I'd still much prefer the boots of speed by a huge margin. The two items aren't even in the same league.
- The only practical use of these boots in combat is (a) a charge attack, and (b) your Dash of 60 feet is too short to reach your intended goal but your Dash of 90 feet would be enough. - Guy 14:19, 21 January 2020 (MST)
- The exponential increase in movement speed is what concerns me the most. Outside of spells, characters aren't meant to be the fastest creatures in existence. Give this to an Aarakocra monk, and they can easily outpace dimension door. However, as long as that IS your intention with the item, than there's nothing wrong with it. I'd certainly use it if that were the case. Given the Boots of Speed in the DMG are rare though, and these are better, they should have a much higher rarity. Even though it only functions if you use your action to dash, most of the time you'll only need high movement speed in situations that require you to use your action to dash anyway, and unlike the Boots of Speed, these boots can be used an infinite number of times without resting. --Supersmily5 (talk) 08:43, 20 January 2020 (MST)
- Oh I get it now. So if the intent is to only increase the speed of the Dash action, and not any additional dashes you make, than it is more balanced. Still particularly useful to those that have extra ways to dash, even if it doesn't stack with them. However, the wording currently implies that if they Dash as an action, than the speed increase applies across the entire turn, including any remaining normal movement and extra Dash actions (If you have any). This is where the item could become incredibly useful for traversing comparably long distances quickly. While the effect doesn't activate if you ONLY use your extra action (Haste) or bonus action to Dash, the current wording effects all movement for the rest of the turn, making it better out of combat than the time limited Boots of Speed, which you'd only want to use in combat to conserve them. Increasing your speed only for that Dash action however would be well within the realm of Uncommon items from my perspective. I do hope I'm not coming off as too brazen though, I'm not trying to scold you or anything, only trying to help. --Supersmily5 (talk) 21:22, 23 January 2020 (MST)