Talk:Orog (3.5e Race)

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Is this even legal to have on here? In the Notes section he says that it's word for word from the book Bastards & Bloodlines.--Ramses IV 06:36, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

It is legal if that book is OGL. Does anyone know if it is? --Aarnott 07:24, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

I have been updating sections in the Unearthed Arcana and they have been word for word as well yet it is protected under OGL. Bastards & Bloodlines is a Wizards of the Coast book and should also be covered under OGL. I didn't try to take credit for it myself and I did put it in the article where the information was found. I stuck it in Homebrew since the other areas seemed to be locked and SRD is for 3.5 and not 3.0 D&D. --Kermit 10:45, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

Bastard & Bloodlines is not a WotC book. It's published by Green Ronin. And to be on the safe side, check the credits page to see if what you're transcribing is OGC. If it doesn't say, by default, none of it is OGC. —Sledged (talk) 12:11, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

So if I wanted to get permission to post it online, I would just have to ask the author? I have sent an e-mail to Owen KC Stephens asking permission, just awaiting a reply.--Kermit 12:19, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

It might not be that simple. The question is "Who has the rights to that source book?" or specifically the contents that you want to transcribe. It might be the author, publisher, or both. —Sledged (talk) 12:32, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

Afterthought: It might be neither. "Orog" may be trademarked by WotC, in which case, Green Ronin got explicit permission from them to include it in the source book. —Sledged (talk) 12:33, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

"The following text is designed as Open Game Content: The name, racial traits, and any bracketed text of each half-breed in Chapter 2, plus the half-breeds at a glance section (including Tables 2-1, 2-2, and 2-3); Chapters 3 and 4." This was in the Bastards and Bloodline book. Does this mean that what was posted is OGC?

Also "Orog" was a term for half-ogre/half-orc from the Birthright setting. There is no direct mention of it in the Bastards and Bloodline book. --Kermit 12:43, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

That's because Birthright wasn't first to feature them. Orogs were part of the core set of monsters in 2nd edition and not specific to any campaign setting.

Provided that orogs appear in chapters 2, the name "orogs" and their racial traits are OGC. I'm guessing there's descriptive text beyond just the racial traits. If so, only the bracketed text (if any) is OGC. The rest may not be transcribed. If the orogs are in either chapter 3 or 4, the whole write-up is OGC and may be completely transcribed. —Sledged (talk) 15:33, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

Addendum: Vital statistics for the orog are OGC only if their in the half-breeds at a glance section (including Tables 2-1, 2-2, and 2-3), bracketed in chapter 2, or in chapters 3 or 4. —Sledged (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

So I understand that the name, racial traits, and vital stats are covered under OGC. Does that mean that the descriptive text is not covered under OGC? Is that why the status is "Needs a bit of cleanup"? --Kermit 16:00, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

That and there are some minor formatting issues. —Sledged (talk) 16:20, 21 March 2008 (MDT)

sledged: I thought there was some clause about all material using the SRD / d20 system had to be OGC (excluding wizards own products of cause)? --Hawk 08:11, 26 March 2008 (MDT)

I haven't seen such a clause in the OGL. —Sledged (talk) 18:49, 26 March 2008 (MDT)

I took a peek at Bastards & Bloodlines, and the term "orog" is not used in the sourcebook (at least not in any place that I could find). The orc/ogre half-breed is just referred to as "half-ogre." So "orog" is not OGC. —Sledged (talk) 13:28, 27 March 2008 (MDT)