Talk:NPCs (Dragon Ball Supplement)

Balancing (essentially) PVP

I understand the purpose behind ECCR, but it certainly gives me concerns for DMs and balancing encounters. Is there a table/system for this thing in the works? Or are DMs just gonna need to fly by the seat of their pants until something does get started? --SwankyPants (talk) 11:55, 3 June 2021 (MDT)

Something is in the works, but will take a while to get just right. Just off the top of my head, an even (if a little meat-grindery) fight is an equal number of equal level creatures. As a soft rule before something more concrete is created, for every creature you remove, the remaining creatures' levels increase by 2, and for every creature you add, the remaining creatures' levels decrease by 2.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:09, 9 June 2021 (MDT)

Hey, I don't really know where to go with descriptions so I hope you don't mind if I just make the stats and leave the description making to you guys P@uL (talk) 02:56, 15 June 2021 (MDT)

No worries, I'll take a look and add something that fits.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:01, 15 June 2021 (MDT)

I might need some help with GT Vegeta, for some reason the stats can't seem to go any higher than 30 so it's made an error P@uL (talk) 04:53, 29 June 2021 (MDT)

The stat limit is really becoming troublesome, a fusion's stat block becomes a mess full of errors even in hp. Should we just write down the stats counted as errors in their features? P@uL (talk) 01:30, 3 July 2021 (MDT)

I'm unsure what you mean. Both ability modifiers and proficiency bonuses have been uncapped, and I was able to create Vegito, Buu Saga (Dragon Ball Supplement) with only 1 error in passive perception (still trying to track down why that happened, but it wasn't all too hard to fix).--Ref3rence (talk) 09:48, 3 July 2021 (MDT)

I tried making that earlier at the time I posted that but stopped due to the saves, stats and hp modifier being errors. P@uL (talk) 17:49, 3 July 2021 (MDT)

Road Map

When I started creating creatures for this campaign, I had the idea to have 1 creature per level per race, but I never actually presented a plan for where creatures lie. This will probably only last until a good number have been created. While I'm not going to lay out every creature, hopefully this should plot out the important ones. Feel free to add your own for future reference to the table, or discuss shuffling certain characters around above the table.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:09, 9 June 2021 (MDT)

Master roshi, I know he was on par with Goku and almost lost to him and all but he had both powerhouse and mafuba, and those techniques are very far ahead from level 7, unless there's something that can make characters get certain techniques earlier. And I don't really think that's the best thing to do. P@uL (talk) 05:04, 17 June 2021 (MDT)

Fair enough, he was most likely suppressed during the fight anyway.--Ref3rence (talk) 10:33, 17 June 2021 (MDT)

Hey Ref I get why you removed the UI sign and all because Goku is not dex based but that's not really a big issue, as, if you watch UI sign Goku vs Kefla again he realizes that he doesn't even hit as hard anymore. So you can still make a UI sign Goku, he's more based on his AC and avoiding attacks not bulldozing. It's until he becomes complete UI that it does good damage. P@uL (talk) 11:34, 17 July 2021 (MDT)

Actually I just saw it, and I've seen that super Saiyan blue kaioken itself is more beneficial even in Dex than UI sign, so you're right. P@uL (talk) 11:44, 17 July 2021 (MDT)

I wonder where would the other Ginyu force members lie? Because I'm planning on making the NPCs of the Namek saga. But I don't know where they would be. P@uL (talk) 10:53, 11 January 2022 (MST)

Recoome, Jeice, and Burter would probably be around 23rd level, with Guldo being 22nd level. For the sake of having it down, Bonyu (a Ginyu Force member from DBZ: Kakkarot) would probably be 25th due to being relative but far weaker than Android Saga Goku.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:14, 11 January 2022 (MST)

I think saibamen fit more into Cr 17 since Yamcha was supposedly able to beat it but only died because he kept his guard down against the self destruct. Which is a powerful technique. P@uL (talk) 10:59, 16 January 2022 (MST)

You're probably right, the only issue I have is the wonky scaling of Saibamen being equal to Raditz, but stronger than Piccolo Jr. Saga Goku, but honestly with only 60 levels to work with there's bound to be a bit of jank, and expanding the maximum level would be more work than it's worth.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:27, 16 January 2022 (MST)

Any suggestion where Goten and Trunks would be on the road map? I'm focusing on the buu Saga cast and I've been using the road map as a guide so after I do Vegeta and the available fusions I will probably do Goten, Trunks and Gotenks. P@uL (talk) 04:35, 5 May 2024 (MDT)

Level	Namekian	Saiyan	Human	Alien	FDemon	Majin
1st			Farmer with Shotgun	Pilaf
2nd			Launch	Monster Carrot
3rd			Mr. Satan, PilafS Yamcha	Oolong
4th		PilafS Goku	Ox King	Giran
5th	Monaito		Nam, 21st BT Yamcha	Toronbo
6th		21st BT Goku	21st BT Krillin
7th			Videl, Master Shen
8th			Chiaotzu, Red Ribbon Officer	Korin
9th		BabaS Goku	22nd BT Roshi, Baba's Warriors
10th	Cymbal		22nd BT Krillin, Tao
11th		22nd BT Goku	22nd BT Tien
12th	Tambo	RaditzS Gohan	Chi-Chi	Garlic Jr. Henchman
13th	Drum	Paragus	Garlic
14th	OK Piccolo	Gine, SaiyanS Gohan	Yajirobe
15th	YK Piccolo	Phantom Saiyan	Cyborg Tao, Babidi Minion	West Kai		Mr. Popo
16th	Kami	KPS Goku	23rd BT Yamcha, 23rd BT Krillin	East Kai, Shenron
17th	23rd BT Piccolo	Tarble	23rd BT Tien	North Kai
18th	Guru	23rd BT Goku, Beets, Raditz	SaiyanS Yamcha	South Kai, Porunga
19th			SaiyanS Krillin, SaiyanS Tien	Garlic Jr., Saibaman
20th		Nappa		Frieza Soldier
21st	Namek Piccolo	SaiyanS Goku, NamekS Gohan		Pui Pui
22nd		SaiyanS Vegeta, Bardock		Cui
23rd		NamekS Vegeta, Turles		Zarbon, Dodoria	Chilled
24th	Piccolo + Nail	NamekS Goku, Goten		Ginyu, Yakon	Kuriza
25th	Nameless Namekian	SS Goku, Trunks		Ultimate Shenron, Black Smoke Toronbo	Frieza
26th		Future Trunks	Android 19/20		King Cold
27th	AndroidS Piccolo	Future Gohan			Cooler
28th	Xeno Dende	AndroidS Gohan, RoSat Goten		Dark Shenron, Minotia, Imperfect Cell
29th	Piccolo + Kami	AndroidS Vegeta, RoSat Trunks	Android 17/18	Tapion		Majin Ozotto
30th	BuuS Piccolo	AndroidS Goku	Android 16	Hera Clan	Metal Cooler
31st		Cell Games Vegeta & Trunks		Semi-Perfect Cell	Metal Cooler Core
32nd		Cell Games Goku		Shin, Bojack
33rd		Cell Games Gohan		Dabura, Perfect Cell		Maji-Kayo
34th		Yamoshi				Good/Evil Buu
35th	GT Piccolo			Grand Kai		Kid Buu
36th		BuuS Vegeta				Majin Buu
37th		BuuS Goku	Uub			Super Buu
38th		PU Gohan				Janemba
39th		Z Broly				Hidden Power Kid Buu
40th		King Sadala				Hatchiyack
41st		Renso		Black Smoke Shenron		Hirudegarn
42nd		GT Gohan	Majuub			Rildo
43rd		GT Vegeta	GT Super 17			Baby
44th		GT Goku		Omega Shenron
45th		Cabba
46th		Caulifla				Oren
47th	Super Piccolo	Kale				Kamin
48th		Cumber	Super 18
49th		End of GT Goku	Super Krillin
50th		Super Gohan	Super 17
51st		God Vegeta			Frost
52nd		God Goku
53rd		Blue Vegeta		Ultimate Black Smoke Shenron	Golden Frieza
54th		Blue Goku
55th		Goku Black, ToP Gohan
56th		Rage Trunks			ToP Frieza
57th		SSBE Vegeta
58th		SSBK Goku
59th				Beerus, Super Shenron
60th	Kagyu	S Broly, UI Goku	Super Villain Yamcha	Jiren	GoD Frieza	Salaga