Talk:Kendimachist (3.5e Class)

Rating - 5/10

I give this Prestige Class a 5/10 because It mostly appears well balanced, clearly it was compared to the barbarian, and you traded the fast movement and trap sense for slightly better rage. However, the wording could be improved-I would consider using the same names the barbarian uses for rage, but prefix it with "battlerager," or replace rage with "Enraged" eg: Greater Battlerager Rage or Greater Enraged would be the name of the ability to have +4 vice +3 to attack, damage, and AC. The one balance issue is the immunities to certain spells while enraged, this compares to a plus 2 to those spells for the barbarian. The mechanics are still a little iffy as well, perhaps instead of 5 temporary hp per 2 levels, you should just give 2/level (this would be better balance as well, as giving temporary hp is a pretty big advantage). Sorry, just my 2 cents. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aaror (talk • contribs) 14:33, 27 January 2007 (MST). Please sign your posts.

Sorry, I keep forgetting to hit tilde 4 timesAaror 18:42, 29 January 2007 (MST)

While on the subject of Signatures.... It is easier to just hit the "Signature" button on the top formatting bar (the gray thing) than to type four tilde's all the time. Also, the "Signature" button on the top bar looks nicer (it adds two -- in front of the signature). --Green Dragon 21:41, 29 January 2007 (MST)

Made a few clarity fixes, I think it reads a bit better now, but up to the original author to decide if I made it better or not. At some point someone should clear my rating and re-rate this class, a lot of the clarity issues have been solved, and it is probably a 6 or 7 now.--Aaror 05:50, 6 March 2007 (MST)

Which one, 6 or 7? --Green Dragon 22:58, 6 March 2007 (MST)

Rating - 6/10

I rate this a 6/10 because the Enraged ability is far too strong and needs to be on par with Brb's Rage.

Battlerager CCS Analysis
Basics		Abilities (1st-5th)		Abilities (5th-10th)		Abilities (11th-20th)
d10	+30	Enraged (Powerful x2)	+16	Enraged (Powerful)	+4	Enraged (Powerful x3)	+6
Weapon Prof	+25	Uncanny Dodge	+4	Imp Uncanny Dodge	+2	Improved Enraged	+1
Armor Prof	+52			Reduced Breath	+2	Scent	+1
BAB	+25			Danger Sense	+2	Danger Sense	+1
Saves	+10					No Issues	+1
Class Skills	+11					Greater Withstanding (Powerful)	+2
Skill Points	+34
Total = 187		Total = 20		Total = 10		Total = 12
Grand Total = 229 Verdict = Bit too powerful

Its +14. +7% My understanding of this class is a Fighter with something akin to barb rage (still I do think dervish does that better...)

Suggestions

• The Enraged ability must be toned down, on par with barbarian's Rage ability.
• On that note, Enraged is a stupid name, when you realise the flavor text says its not based on anger at all: the Battlerager achieves a state of mind of happiness for brief periods There were probably many names the author could have chosen: Trance, Trancendence, Vigor, etc.
• Similarly the name of the class needs changing.
• If we tone down the-ability-that-needs-a-new-name to be on par with Rage, then we have -13. Similarly, Greater Withstanding is overkill (when you factor in no-fatigue), weaken for a -1. That gives us a class of 215 :)

--Pwsnafu 18:47, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

Okay. I like the sound of Trance more than enraged. Also, could the name of this class become Battletrancer? I think that may sound a little silly... However, you are correct when you say that the Trance needs to be toned down. What changes would you recommend for Trance? Also, I agree with the removal of Greater Withstanding. I hope this class becomes better soon. --Green Dragon 19:38, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

There are a few options. There's transire which is Latin for "cross-over". Its archaic enough to be unfamiliar to most people, and the -ire evokes -er suffix in most people. Then there are variants of the -machy suffix (it means "fighting", ch is pronounced as k). One option is kendimachist. Its a neologism using the Turkish kendinden. Of course we have transimachist, meaning simply "trance fighter", but that feels try-hard. If we want mundane names there's the non-descriptive Ecstatic Warrior which really sounds awful... Personally, kendimachist has grown on me.

As for trance itself, happiness implies something like +4 Con (w/ +2 HP/level), +2 Dex (w/ +1 AC), +2 Wis (w/ +1 Will save), -4 Int (he can't think). Can't use anything other than CE, SA, Mobility. Can Tumble as movement. Can end vol. I'm thinking maybe trance should be religious. In this case also have the possibility of the term Rapture. A cleric channels divine power to an undead, this class would channel in into himself.

Still the class needs more originality. It still feels like a Ftr/Brb hybrid. Regards --Pwsnafu 17:15, 14 March 2007 (MDT)

Okay, kendimachist it is. Also, I like the idea of making the ability called Rapture and being religious. I say go ahead and make the changes you have proposed and then we can see how this looks... --Green Dragon 21:26, 15 March 2007 (MDT)

Changes are in place. Deleted Scent, DW, and Reduced Breath. Changed a few names. Top name still says Battlerager though :P Probably just a bit too weak, but we can fix that soon. Need a substitute for Scent. --Pwsnafu 17:46, 17 March 2007 (MDT)

The page has now been moved. Also, you may want to add some links to the SRD in this page to help people that do not know D&D all that well... I think this class is finally getting a niche and some flavor. --Green Dragon 23:27, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

I like the flavour of this class as well. I definitely am going to share this with my groups. What does have me intrigued, however, is the table used above to evaluate the class. Where can I find this table? It looks like some sort of numerical chart that gives relative values to various abilities and such. I would definitely like to use it. Perhaps it is on this site somewhere and I just haven't found it...at any rate, some direction to it would be much appreciated! --Skwyd 16:36, 6 April 2007 (MDT)

I know you have already found where it is (link here) however do you think it would be a good idea to make a link to the CSS page from 3.5e Other? --Green Dragon 13:21, 7 April 2007 (MDT)

Weaker than the barbarian?

Currently, this class is weaker than the barbarian... "Rapture" is more or less equal to Rage, although I like the UA rage variant Whirling Frenzy more. But then, this class here has only d10 HD and no damage reduction. I.e., it is dead much faster. At the moment, players are better of to build a barbarian and convince the DM to let them change the fluff, changing the Rage into a spiritual battle meditation. At any rate the difference to the Barbarian is too small, so I don't really see any necessity to make this a separate class.

No rating because there is not enough originial content.

Oh, and the deity is spelled Yond_a_lla. --Mkill 23:08, 13 June 2007 (MDT)

This has become a community project, please feel free to edit this and make it better. --Green Dragon 12:29, 14 June 2007 (MDT)