Talk:Hork-Bajir (3.5e Race)

Origin

This creature isn't mine; it comes from K.A. Applegate's Animorphs book series. I asked if I could use such creatures (copyrighted ones being translated into d&d format), and I was told that I could. I still have a good deal of editing to do before this creature is usable Noname 12:53, 18 March 2008 (MDT)

I may have to make a monster entry for this as well... Noname 16:56, 18 March 2008 (MDT)

Unless there is some sort of Animorphs D20 game out there, you really don't have to ask permission. Just add the copyright disclaimer to the bottom. Fair use allows this sort of thing. Especially since we are not selling anything here :). --Aarnott 17:10, 18 March 2008 (MDT)

I know the series well... I wonder if yeerks could be in here too at some point. --Sir Milo Teabag 14:42, 8 April 2008 (MDT)

That would be hard to do... they need a host body and need kandrona rays every three days or they die. Noname 16:14, 8 April 2008 (MDT)

*Oogles those stats* That's going to be one hell of an LA... On a side note I wonder why there aren't any benefits to being female. The size difference doesn't seem to cut it. -- Eiji 11:12, 26 April 2008 (MDT)

It WILL be a hell of an LA... but it is worth it. The differences between male and female are consistent with the original material in the books, which are in turn based on nature. As it is, a female Hork-Bajir is still far more dangerous than a male of most other species... Noname 20:23, 26 April 2008 (MDT)

Female should get a lower LA then.--Lord Dhazriel 20:24, 26 April 2008 (MDT)

How is that so? Their intelligence levels are the same... I think I'll simply change the stats a bit... let me see if there is anything in the media which can justify that... perhaps I'll simply remove dexterity penalties from the females... Noname 20:36, 26 April 2008 (MDT)

Would a -2 dexterity penalty only applied to the males make them even with the females? Noname 11:09, 27 April 2008 (MDT)

No but a slightly lower LA could, and no need to make them even. My dark elf female are far superior to my dark elf male... (And i think it original, change from the "all gender are equal in any ways" stereotype --Lord Dhazriel 13:00, 27 April 2008 (MDT)

Having a lower LA would imply that the females could take a class earlier than the males, which would imply greater intelligence and/or diligence. This would make no sense, as both males and females are equally penalized in intelligence and wisdom. Is there anything else that can be done?Noname 14:17, 27 April 2008 (MDT)

I know, LA is a broken rule, Mind Flayer are incredibly more intelligence than human and they have an LA of +8, ha I hate this rule. A variants should exist--Lord Dhazriel 15:24, 27 April 2008 (MDT).

Hit Die

Does anyone know what 8d8 + 56 is? I just want to make sure... Noname 16:58, 27 April 2008 (MDT)

8d8 + 56 is anywhere between 64 and 120, depending on what was rolled with the d8(s). (64 = all ones, 120 = all eights.) Rbandboy 17:58, 27 April 2008 (MDT)

Thanks. Noname 18:32, 27 April 2008 (MDT)

Andalites

I will be using the psionic races category to cover this race, which is also from animorphs. Since there is no appropriate place for them in 4e (yet), this will be using the older 3.5e section. Noname 13:47, 6 August 2008 (MDT)

500 + Views

Thanks. Noname 14:18, 28 September 2008 (MDT)

Revising

These things are crazy, considering they're basically the orcs of the Animorphs series. They're elite mooks, not serious killing machines as D&D measures things. Brand new adventurers are able to take them on and win. I'm going to ratchet the abilities down accordingly. None to fret, I've been binge-reading the early books of the Animorphs series so Hork-Bajir are fresh on my brain-meats. Notes: I'm missing where the Hork-Bajir had such a huge difference in size. They're seven feet tall, eight if you count the horns, and really ought to be uniformly Medium. If you want, Powerful Build. I don't think that's very appropriate, however, given their pictures tend to paint them as being rather wiry in build. Given the Hork-Bajir's placid, nature-loving disposition, I'm thinking Ranger fits a lot better than Barbarian for a favored class. If a swim speed were appropriate, the Vissers wouldn't have needed to modify Hork-Bajir or try to make shark-Controllers. Tigers and bears can swim, and they don't have a swim speed. Rake and Rend are good for feats. Better regeneration than just about anything in the game isn't a great idea. Being a Seer is best left as a feat or a subrace; it's never a good idea to have a character's concept hinge on the roll of a dice.