Talk:Frozen Fraction Field (5e Spell)

I don't know why "Meep" is touching and deleting my work, but its all very well developed, balanced and thought out. Its deliberate. He changed my Brutal Beam spell to 7d12 damage from my 30d12 damage. Its supposed to be more damaging than meteor swarm, so I measured it to be that way. Then he changed it to what look like a 4th level spell. Its a 9th level spell!!!!! Meep contact me at <redacted> so that I can have a discussion with you about it instead of you wrecking it carelessly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jessebourbeau (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts.

The spell in question was unbalanced before the edit, in my opinion. Meteor Swarm should generally be considered the upper bound of damage a spell can deal, and 30d12 deals almost half as much damage again than Meteor Swarm does, on top of other effects. I could see an argument to be made that the much smaller area of effect warrants more damage output, but my initial reaction was that it was too powerful. That said, 7d12 might be not powerful enough and need to be buffed.

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The average damage of 30d12 is 180 while the average damage of meteor swarm is 120. While 180 might be too much more than 120, lowering it to 7d12 which is an average of 42 damage is extremely and excessively nerfed. Be honest, its a joke. At least if it was 25d12 it would do an average of 150 damage, 30 more than meteor swarm. --Jessebourbeau (talk) 09:51, 22 January 2018 (MST)

7d12 is actually just a bit below what a 9th level aoe spell should deal according to the DMG pp 284. Additionally, blinding creatures and knocking them prone in a huge aoe is a tremendous boon to your party. I see nothing wrong with the balance of the spell.--Blobby383b (talk) 10:07, 22 January 2018 (MST)

42 damage is pathetic and I could deal that with a level 4 or 5 spell easily. It has a small impact radius. How is 7d12 appropriate for 7th level when meteor swarm is so much more powerful? I dont need to look in the DMG to know whats right in front of my eyes: I want Brutal Beam to rival meteor swarm. --Jessebourbeau (talk) 10:11, 22 January 2018 (MST)

Frankly this spell has an entirely different purpose than meteor swarm. This spell makes almost all of the enemy creatures you are fighting be knocked prone and be blinded, allowing the PC's who are melee martial classes to have advantage on their attack rolls and making it so you and your party will largely not take an damage until the start of your next turn, while meteor swarm just deals damage. I think you are very much underestimating how much of a boon this spell it, as in most cases this spell is comparable to meteor swarm as damage is not the only thing that balances spells.--Blobby383b (talk) 10:19, 22 January 2018 (MST)