Talk:Fey Mice (5e Race)

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Two copyright disclaimers? - Guy (talk) 11:23, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

I guess that was a glitch or something? --AngelsAndAarakocra (talk) 15:10, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I know lol I'm just not going to call it that because the species doesn't have a confirmed name, also, copyright. You'll also notice I listed all the names in the names section, and put the copyright disclaimer recognising that this is just Ori's species from Ori and the Blind Forest. Oh, and also, Ori and their species don't have a gender because they grow from the Spirit Tree. --AngelsAndAarakocra (talk) 10:15, 15 November 2017 (MST)

The reason behind the large amounts of abilities is because of the race's size, which is Tiny. This allows for abilities that match with Ori's in-game, including the climbing abilities. Here is a link to the Tiny Size Variant Rule. Also, they aren't called Light Spirits in-game, and with the severe penalties of Tiny size the race's abilities are balanced. --AngelsAndAarakocra (talk) 11:13, 15 November 2017 (MST)

Ori is not a tiny creature. I feel the reason you think they are is because of size comparison to Kuro. A Gargantuan owl monster in the game.
"The abilities that Ori gains throughout the game are not even theirs to begin with. They are inherited by absorbing the essences of other spirits into them as they are the last hope for the light.
+5 to stats is obscene, having so many abilities racially on a Lv1 character is obscene, a light source nobody else can see doesn't make any sense at all, and your constant referral to them being feathers before they are born from a tree fills me with a rage as white as a LIGHT SPIRITS fur.
[1] This is a gorram leaf.
The light radius Ori has throughout the game comes from Sien the light of Nibel
[2] And this is a medium creature carrying a small one —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk). Please sign your posts.
I'd spent about 30 minutes writing a response (including the thing about the not-feather being a leaf) and then I lost it when you posted lol
That doesn't matter.
Let's just use this helpful link:
And stop being angry at each other.
Anyway, my version of this page, with the appropriate edits to bring it in line with the wiki, will work mechanically due to the Tiny size's several drawbacks, such as being grappled my almost any creature, and being far less able to deal physical damage, and everything costing more because it has to be specially made. This has been playtested. Ori himself isn't an elemental, although he restores the elements to the forest, since he's a being of light, and therefore cannot physically be an elemental in D&D. Also, Nibel could easily be a location in the Feywild judging by appearance, so Fey is the best way to classify Ori's species (known as Spirit Guardians by the wiki) when melding the two canon universes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AngelsAndAarakocra (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts.

Musicus Meter
Score: 5.5-6
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ConcealedLight (talk) 06:22, 23 January 2018 (MST)

Firstly, Musicus ratings should be in two parts, one for the core race and one for each of the subraces. Secondly, you need to show your calculations since there are traits here not covered by the Musicus meter.

--AngelsAndAarakocra (talk) 01:54, 30 December 2017 (MST)

Would the Musicus template not reflect such a required breakdown in the traits or two separate parts then? There is nowhere on the site that specifies such a thing, not on the 5e race design guide, nor on the Musicus guideline I transcribed, nor on the original google document it is based off and I ask you to refrain from claiming so. The score here is based on my own judgement of the how it would be rated for the traits you've given it and even without using the Musicus Meter this race as it stands is pretty overpowered. ConcealedLight (talk) 09:15, 30 December 2017 (MST)
The reason I say that is because that's the way it's done when rating the official races, and it's a very logical way of doing it, as it's easier and more informative. Also, if you give calculations, I can edit the race with more precision so that it will be more well-balanced. --AngelsAndAarakocra (talk) 09:25, 30 December 2017 (MST)
It appears I was being too generous with my previous scoring as a fan of the game itself. You can see my breakdown and the updated meter rating. I'd reccommend you read the 5e_Race_Design_Guide also. ConcealedLight (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2017 (MST)
Cost Racial Trait
3 ASI's.
-2 Tiny.
-0.5 Extra Movement.
0.5 Fey Guardian.
0.5 Fey Radiance.
1-1.5 Natrual Climber.
2.5-3 Total.

Spirit Flame[edit]

Cost Racial Trait
1.5 Spirit Magic.
1.5 Resourceful.
+3 Total.

Aura Leaf[edit]

Cost Racial Trait
1.5 Aura Magic.
1.5 Adorable.
+3 Total.

I don't mind removing Spiritual Resurrection, it was mostly intended to be a flavour thing since in practice, when a character dies the GM will either ask them to make a new character or let them go on a quest to resurrect the character. Also, you couldn't do it infinitely because it happens the next dawn. So that's 3.5+ off the score, and I can change ASIs so you only get a +1 to Charisma and Dexterity, so that's 2 more off, for a total of 5.5+ off. I'm also going to remove the force damage resistance because you're not really supposed to have resistance to force damage, so that's a total of -6+ to the score, which brings down the main race to 5.5 to 6. I'm also going to do something about Natural Climber since it's really poorly worded. I'll put some more lore in as well later. --AngelsAndAarakocra (talk) 03:59, 31 December 2017 (MST)

This is better now. I've polished it up in regards to the formatting, image size and trait wording. You still need to add in the lore which needs to be written in such a way that doesn't break copyright. Speaking of which that image needs to be sourced and credited else it'll have to go. ConcealedLight (talk) 06:22, 23 January 2018 (MST)
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