Talk:Feats with Stricter Requirements (5e Variant Rule)

Keeping feats on separate pages, but setting up a DPL on this page

I feel like it would be wiser to keep the feats each on their separate pages instead of consolidating them to one. Consolidating removes several of the benefits of them being hosted on separate pages, including preserved/seperate discussion pages and histories, as well as being able to hyperlink and rate each individual piece of content. Instead, I suggest remove the specific category of feat on those pages and replace it with something like Category:Gated Feat and have a DPL on this page that lists them here (kind of like how partial armor does it). I am willing to assist with this, if the primary contributor OKs it. --ZarHakkar (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2021 (MST)

Consolidating the pages made sense to me when I created the page. Doing so made it so that all the homebrew that use the variant rule would be self contained, as to prevent the need to edit the main list dpls on the wiki to not include said pages. With that said, this variant rule is definitely broad enough to edit the feat dpls, link to this page on the feat list page, and for us make a category for these pages.

Also, as mentioned below in the edge cases section, a renaming is on the table. With the rename, what category name should we go for with pages that would fall under Feats with Stricter Requirements? Category:Strict Requirement Feat doesn't sound good and I am not sure gated feat works any more. --Blobby383b (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2021 (MST)

Since these fall in line closer to 3.5e feats than 5e feats, perhaps they could be called something like Classic or Old Style Feats? --ZarHakkar (talk) 18:54, 31 December 2021 (MST)

Hmmm, I am not too sure those names sufficiently describe these feats. After thinking about it for a while, I am leaning towards the Complex Feat name. Either way, if nothing is decided in the next day or so I will just go ahead and pick a name and get to going through with all the changes that need to be done as the category name itself is not that important to delay finishing this variant rule. --Blobby383b (talk) 19:47, 31 December 2021 (MST)

Re-categorizing feats as not according to class, but class features

Instead of having the prerequisites for seemingly class gated feats such as Rage Mastery and Channeled Rage be things like "barbarian, 1st-level" I suggest to instead consider writing the prerequisites in such way to specify the ability that the feature requires. So, the prerequisite for Channeled Rage and Rage Mastery would be "You must be able to rage". This keeps things a little more uniform, and also allows for cases where two classes share the same feature (ie, monk and rogue evasion). If a feat really must be level gated, then consider using overall level instead of class-specific level, eg. "At least 5th level, you must be able to rage". This keeps such feats in line with the spirit of allowing players to "round out" a multiclassed character that might otherwise be underoptimized. Again, I will offer to assist with sorting and rewriting feats, if the primary contributor OKs it. --ZarHakkar (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2021 (MST)

Once again great suggestions. I do think the prerequisites could be tweaked to require specific class features instead of generic levels in a class most of the time. The wording would likely need to be just slightly different that your suggestion to follow how official feats prerequisites are worded. For example I believe, "At least 5th level, Rage feature" would be better. --Blobby383b (talk) 01:55, 31 December 2021 (MST)

Edge-cases

Consider if a gated feat was created that had the prerequisite "Must be size Large or greater". It probably would not fit in with the normal homebrew feats, but it doesn't seem to have a spot here either. It seems beneficial to take into account something like this early on since this page was just created. --ZarHakkar (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2021 (MST)

That does make sense. Perhaps renaming this page to something along the line of Feats with Stricter Requirements would work? That way the page encompasses feats that have all sorts of stricter requirements. Besides that, off the top of my head, besides the class feats already on this page, I believe chain feats are one of the more common things users often want to design around but can't. --Blobby383b (talk) 01:39, 31 December 2021 (MST)

How do you add to this?

Hey there! I just created Metamagic Master, a feat I believe qualifies under this variant rule. I assumed it would add itself automatically, but I put all the necessary breadcrumbs and it didn't pop up. I went in and looked at the code, and it looked like it was set up to automatically add feats. Am I just being impatient? Do I just need to wait a bit for it to pop up? Or do I need to manually add it somehow? I'm unfamiliar with these kinds of tables. Thanks! --MarshDASavage (talk) 16:12, 31 January 2022 (MST)

Looking at the feat, it seems like all categories are in order. Sometimes you have to wait for a bit to let the DPL update. --ZarHakkar (talk) 16:14, 31 January 2022 (MST)