Talk:Chthonic Vampyre (5e Race)

cool race i might used it with the Vampyre (5e class) i created --Alucarddragonborn (talk) 12:08, 29 November 2017 (MST)

I don't think vampiric feeding is really a positive trait. It should be a negative point for the musicus meter.--Yanied (talk) 11:44, 22 January 2019 (MST)

So I think I'm going to edit that trait to make it more positive. --Yanied (talk) 12:11, 22 January 2019 (MST)

Looks like you copy pasted the trait content from the Vampire (5e Race) I covet dearly. These should be reworked/worded to fit this race and its fiendish rather than ripping off another race and the reference markers([1], [2], [3], etc) should be removed as they don't link to anything on this page. —ConcealedLight (talk) 15:06, 22 January 2019 (MST)

It was originally meant to be a process that took an hour I think. The closest I got was thinking they meant for the creature to be grappled, but that seems way too long. The other thing was maybe that they were both enraptured in euphoria, but I couldn't fathom giving a starting race a trait that could subdue another creature for a whole hour. Thus, I figured the intention was to make it like vampire drinking from the get-go. Thoughts?--Yanied (talk) 20:47, 22 January 2019 (MST)

Yeah, I guess? You could also do it like the Embodied Mouther (5e Race), another one of my favoured children, and have it be an effect that occurs when they reduce a creature to 0 hit points. —ConcealedLight (talk) 08:08, 23 January 2019 (MST)

Perhaps, but I feel like RAI the content wanted to be able to bite something that could also still be conscious/have hit points to experience the euphoria? I'm not entirely sure it can be worded to 5e standard though--Yanied (talk) 09:26, 23 January 2019 (MST)

Ye, this is all pretty edgy. Could say something like when they're reduced to 0 hit points they are affected by these guys poison that keeps them conscious at 0 hit points but paralysed, and if they regain any hit points they are no longer paralysed but I mean that'll be a pain to word, I'd guess. Instead, since adopted this page just take it the way you believe is best, how you envision the race. —ConcealedLight (talk) 10:54, 23 January 2019 (MST)

I just feel since it's not originally mine, I ought to honor the absent OP's intention. If it were up to me, I'd probably have it be like Batman's Man Bat character, which would utilize the grappling mechanic on unwilling creatures, but otherwise use the vampire's bite. But the grappling mechanic would make the blood-sucking instantaneous. Not quite sure how that could be worded, but it is similar to how the vampire bite takes only an action I guess. So it'd be like a grapple and a bite in one action.--Yanied (talk) 11:17, 23 January 2019 (MST)

In that case couldn't you just make the bite a bonus action on a grappled creature? —ConcealedLight (talk) 18:12, 23 January 2019 (MST)

Would that be too much? That's what I'm worried about, giving a bonus action trait to a race out of the gate.--Yanied (talk) 19:57, 23 January 2019 (MST)

As long as it is worded alright. By making it conditional it should be fine, fighters won't be able to capitalize off it because it is a bonus action, it requires a user to take the grapple action on a creature and then take the bonus action to SUCC. In combat, it takes your whole turn to do, requiring a creature to fail their grapple and unless it kills them they can try to escape when they take damage. Put in an edit and I'll make tweaks if I notice something. —ConcealedLight (talk) 08:59, 24 January 2019 (MST)