SRD Talk:Shades

WTF these spells descriptions dont make sense. it says people who make will save take 80% dmg, then below it, it says non believers take 20% dmg. which is correct. Zau 14:59, 18 May 2009 (MDT)

It states that if it mimics a spell that deals damage it deals 80%, now if it creates an object or substance, that object/substance only has a 20% chance to work. Like if you made a shadow poison and the person makes there save it would only have 20% of the effect. The spacing is a little wack and hard to read, the last sentence of the fourth (Biggest) paragraph and the next paragraph (rather sentence) are supposed to be read together. -Sarrow 16:25, 18 May 2009 (MDT)

Updated spell to condense paragraph.--Dmilewski 18:34, 20 May 2009 (MDT)

Isn't this just plain wrong? Conjurations from Shades are supposed to be 80% real. Looks like Copy/Paste from the description of Shadow Conjuration. Also, Shades may be able to mimic ANY Conjuration spell - including teleportation. Depends on how strong and accurate one reads the "Except" part to be in comparison to the "Just like Shadow Conjuration" part. Directly comparing the two texts, it does look like Shades specifically overwrites the subschool limitation, too.

You are correct, compared to a different SRD, this entry is entirely incorrect. The text should be:

Shades

[[3.5e Illusion (Shadow) Spells|Illusion (Shadow)]]
Level:	Sor/Wiz 9

This spell functions like Shadow Conjuration, except that it mimics sorcerer and wizard conjuration spells of 8th level or lower. The illusory conjurations created deal four-fifths (80%) damage to nonbelievers, and nondamaging effects are 80% likely to work against nonbelievers.

It looks like at one point this entry was correct, but it got changed somewhere along the way.

(The template doesn't look right, but that's because it's in the SRD Talk namespace, and the template is getting confused. It should work just fine if you copy/paste my code into the article). JazzMan 16:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

The entry itself said, "as shadow conjuration ..." then listed the changes. I applied those changes to the text as we are not limited in space like a book and it is generally more useful to have the full text on the page that you can see. I updated the page. Does it look more appropriate? --Dmilewski 10:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

The current version works. It's actually the way I would prefer it, I just didn't know we had that kind of leeway with the OGL (copyright is NOT my thing). Thanks for fixing it! JazzMan 20:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)