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Elemental Mage Class Help[edit]

Hi, I'm new to this site, but I've been playing D&D for a while. Your Homebrew Elemental Mage class really caught my attention, especially the Earth Mage, and I was wondering if I could be of any assistance to you with making the guide. I noticed that you update the guide almost daily, and I would love to see the guide reach completion. If you need formatting help of any kind, clarification on some points that may be confusing, or maybe just another opinion, I would happily assist you. Let me know what you need. Thank you. Neatkhajiit 20:07, 10 December 2015 (EST)

Absolutely! I'm playing with the original (obviously) and Blewdro is the main, but the idea is to begin scaling back the power of the class, it's Out of scale a tad power wise as it stands. Blewsdro is the one that does most of the Fire/Earth and I'm attempting to make water more... unique?? I guess.--Modnar (talk) 21:10, 10 December 2015 (MST)

Thank you. Also, I tried editing the page yesterday and all of my edits were reverted by Blewsdro. I made some changes for clarification purposes, because in my opinion, some of the guide is a bit too complicated for the average player. I also changed some grammar and spelling errors, and they were also reverted. I'm not sure if he just reverted my changes instinctively or he felt that I was wrong, but I hope I can help in the future. Thank you. Also, I'll email you in case you're interested in setting up some kind of shared document dedicated to improving the class. --Neatkhajiit (talk) 15:49, 11 December 2015 (MST)

Yes, that happens. You'll see mine has been redacted a few times. I believe That is why we've had so many changes with it. I'm thinking about just making a new version of the class for such. For the record, I'm likely the source for the complication, so I'll own that and I'd love to hear your ideas.

The idea I was working with was that Earth seemed to be Tank. His original was a sort of complicated system in which you kept losing spell levels with each EF, which didn't make much sense. The more you progressed with EFs you lost more and more spells depending upon the power of the EF, and that power was just 'lost' forever.

I'm trying the effective spell levels so that its easier than tracking how many spell slots you don't have on each level separately. And giving it more HD per level, and making it use the HD as a sort of spell point system.

Its not a good system, I know. But it seemed less of a problem then the blood point - OH, I'd suggest not touching Fire, that's apparently what it was all built around and from what I've seen, tends to get a response. As the 9th Tiers powers are exclusively there.

Anyway, my two cents.--Modnar (talk) 19:18, 11 December 2015 (MST)

That's actually a really good idea. I thought it was interesting how you could use HD to use abilities instead of spend spell slots. I wanted to build off the whole tank idea, because to me, that's what an Earth Mage should be. I agree that the idea of removing spell slots every tier is a bit confusing, and I think you've got the right idea with what you changed it to.

I wasn't really planning on changing anything other than the Earth Mage, also. I can see that the Fire Mage is quite complete, and the Air and Water Mages are under "repair" by you and Blewsdro.

Sorry about the confusion. If you're interested, we can set up a shared document for our ideas, rather than constantly change each other's edits. It might work more smoothly that way. Thanks for the reply. --Neatkhajiit (talk) 19:33, 11 December 2015 (MST)

You have nothing to be sorry about. I was hoping to get that thing LESS complicated if possible. The shared doc sounds like a great idea, I'd happily be another pair of eyes. --Modnar (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2015 (MST)

I emailed you. I just need your email and I can add you to the doc. --Neatkhajiit (talk) 20:42, 11 December 2015 (MST)


You seem to be doing something ranger related that overwrote the disambiguation page. I have moved it to Ranger, 2nd Variant (5e Class). Marasmusine (talk) 15:38, 22 December 2015 (MST)

...I don't know what the disambiguation page is... thank you for fixing it, how do i make sure I don't do that again?--Modnar (talk) 15:46, 22 December 2015 (MST)

When you make a new page, leave in the identifier: In this case the "create new class" button at 5e Classes says "MyClass (5e Class)", so leave in the (5e Class). If there's already content in the edit page that opens up, that's an existing page, go back and pick a new name. Marasmusine (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2015 (MST)
A disambiguation page is to help people find other page when their search term is ambiguous. For example we've got a dozen 3.5e classes called "ranger", plus the SRD ranger, so the page Ranger lists everything. Marasmusine (talk) 03:08, 23 December 2015 (MST)

Ah, thank you for clarifying. (sorry to have created work for you all - thank you for your time and efforts, and making this site so friendly and usable)


Do you mind, why do you want pages where you are the main contributor to be deleted? You can also get the pages protected. --Green Dragon (talk) 09:49, 22 September 2017 (MDT)

I appreciate the thoughtful consideration of the problem and how to creatively solve it, but no. That's not it.
I have(had) a number of entries I've put on the site, and I've thoroughly enjoyed the accessibility to -- and input from -- the majority of the community. I have to say it's frustrating to keep attempting to have discussions (or rather to try to have focused,specific discussions) - the nebulous requests, inaccurate assessment and readings of rules, the lack of follow through or followup, and the terse and sometimes offensive interactions with some of the Users. It seems that some seek to use force over reason, to assert inaccurate.

You and your volunteer admins have a herculean work ahead of you. I'm sure you're aware that it's fairly common for people to offhandedly dismiss all homebrew content that appears on this site as poorly conceived, even more poorly executed, and above all unmoderated. I'd like to avoid my work being considered within the confines of such similar biases.

Honestly, I'd work to refine such... but I am increasingly flustered with the feedback from the Admins being nebulous and therefore barely valuable. If i said, your site is bad. How would you fix that? And what if they wouldn't respond or were belligerent when they did? For myself, I recently saw an Admin said that an author still hadn't addressed an issue.... which in reading the entry... it had never been brought up before (and that the entry was to be deleted unless the "problems" were fixed - which is worse than no feedback.) Some of the comments from them show they've not read the materials, some suggest they got so frustrated reading it that they felt it necessary to belittle the author, I totally get it can be frustrating.. but I'm pretty sure that kind of interaction doesn't really promote the site's strength - its active user base.

And while I agree legibility is important, my understanding from the various boards on Facebook and Reddit is that the site isn't burdened by criticism on correct syntax, capitalization or even use of abbreviations, but rather... that the admin oversight isn't addressing the game mechanics problems.

If I may suggest something you guys may want to consider a less reactive scenario, like getting a class "blessed" (approved) by the admins, versus published as equal to the ones that haven't been reviewed. You have an amazing resource, and I hope to see it have the respect both in its implementation and integrity it deserves to have.

Last comment. I get you were worried about my edits and delete requests, but... asking me a question after putting a 6 month ban which prevented editing/response... that's sort of the issue, you applied force first, 'THEN' sought the discussion afterwards -- that isn't conducive to organic solution options which might help.

(I do appreciate that you caught the paradox and corrected it, so now I CAN respond. A six month suspension for Abuse of the preview panel? I'm not sure how one would abuse the preview feature.)

--Modnar (talk) 10:37, 23 September 2017 (MDT)

I saw that you slapped the {{delete}} template on pages that you did not create (before looking at every edit- I can just rollback from Recent Changes), and I was worried that your edits were compromised.
Have you tried using Help:Page Protection? There is a push to make this more common, and I see your problems already greatly reduced by using the options here.
What do I take from criticism? It's really important. I don't know why you will trust every troll on the internet, but I trust my own intuition before reading some Reddit flame.
We are working on a free, democratic, and consensus-run project. If you dislike this, hate some other users, or cannot understand the administration, then it's your problem. In your defense, allowing me to keep the {{delete}} template on pages where you are still the main contributor is a consensus made by the users you cannot work with in this project. --Green Dragon (talk) 11:15, 23 September 2017 (MDT)

Modnar, as a courtesy I am deleting the requested pages for which you are the sole major contributor (per speedy deletion criteria G7). Marasmusine (talk) 02:36, 18 October 2017 (MDT)

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