Talk:Winter Wolf Pelt (3.5e Equipment)

Cost

I need help figuring out an appropriate cost for this armor material... -- Eiji 04:56, 30 October 2007 (MDT)

I would say the cold resistance 5 is mostly countered by the penalty from fire, so that should not increase the price. Now, to figure out what permanent endure elements would cost (even though endure elements cannot become permanent using permanency)... Just for referance: XP lost=5×500=2,500gp Caster Level=9×5=45gp so does about 2,545gp sound right? To high? By the way, I'm not sure, I'm just pulling this number out of thin air... --Green Dragon 20:14, 30 October 2007 (MDT)

I would say add just 3,000gp for making it out of Winter Wolf Pelt. --Watsyurname529 20:31, 30 October 2007 (MDT)

I'll make it 2500gp. This is largely because the Endure Elements property only applies to extreme cold and not extreme heat, so it looses some effectiveness. Of course if you're wearing this, you're probably not adventuring in the tropics. ...thank you very much for the price quote everyone -- Eiji 21:07, 30 October 2007 (MDT)

Two things: How much more does it cost if one does not supply the winter wolf pelt, and does Endure Elements go away if Dispel Magic is cast nearby? Also, you may want to word how endure elements only works for cold temperatures better... --Green Dragon 21:44, 30 October 2007 (MDT)

This is with presumption that you are not supplying the pelt materials and are buying it from a store (which is, as far as I know, the same way adamantine and other materials are handled). I'll leave it up to the DMs to figure out what discounts are available if you harvest the raw materials for creation yourself.

However you have a point on the supernaturalness of Endure Elements. I am leaning towards saying it is an Ex property of the fur and therefore unaffected by Dispel Magic, since this isn't an enchantment, its a material. It would justify the cost being similar to the enchantment while only providing coverage for the lower half of temperatures. Actually, I think I'll make that change now. -- Eiji 22:44, 30 October 2007 (MDT)

Oh, I was confused. I thought you were making the price 2,500 with one supplying the pelt, which, as you correctly stated, is not normal. Anyway, I would raise the price for a couple reasons. One is that Dispel Magic will no longer affect the pelt, another is that killing a winter wolf (CR 5) would be very difficult for a commoner, I assume, therefore rasing the price. Anyway, here is what I recommend. It costs 2,545gp to have endure elements permanently cast on this (even though that is not possible). However, this is not the normal endure elements, it only affects cold. For that reason I would cut the cost in half to around 1,275gp. Now since Dispel Magic will never dispel this extraordinary affect, the cost, I feel, should be at least tripled (?) to 3,825. And, for the cost of hunting the winter wolf I feel that about 2,000gp (?) should be tacked on. Therefore the final (beta) price would be 5,825. Ideas? --Green Dragon 23:00, 30 October 2007 (MDT)

Hmm. It is sound thinking but I worry, that shoots the price up to the same price as adamantine for the range we're looking at (light armors and hide). Adamantine value this is not.. if the fire weakness/cold resistance cancels out we're down to the endure elements bit, and I think DR 2/- is more valuable than endure elements.

However I think I have a solution, Dragonhide (which give no particular benefits besides being not metal and looking snazzy) is x2 the cost of whatever. For the moment I made it x3 cost (since it does have a benefit). The only problem with this is it is again pretty cheap since if I read it right, it only triples the masterwork cost and doesn't bother with other issues. I'm not sure the inability to get winter wolves pelt is as much of an issue, if only because material components tend to be rather odd. Who the heck is gathering these beholder tongues and red dragon scales?

On an unrelated note, if I was going to price it just based on current materials I might judge it between Dragonhide and Mithril. -- Eiji 00:05, 31 October 2007 (MDT)

Okay, how about this. We just disregard gathering the items (your right—who does gather dragon scales and beholder tongues?!?) and put the price at 3,825gp (see above for the math) or down to 1,275gp if Dispel Magic can dispel the endure elements. Anyway, do you think this is still too high? --Green Dragon 11:47, 1 November 2007 (MDT)

3825 will work, score! -- Eiji 16:10, 1 November 2007 (MDT)