Talk:Whipsinger (3.5e Prestige Class)

Discussion xD

Balancing

There are a few issues with this class overall balancing, as listed:

Whip Song: I can see a whip performing the somatic requirements for a spell, but the verbal? That is just silly. Spells require spoken words not just sounds. --Capt Hooks (talk) 19:44, 24 July 2015 (MDT)

Overall: Having full spellcasting progression and full BAB seems to much, specially with the other abilities this gives gives. Since it is combat focused, consider giving up some spellcasting lvls (i.e. make it get +1 on 1, 3 and 5).--ElfsMaster 15:55, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Since it's bardic casting, I don't really see that as being much of a problem. Bards aren't known for destroying everything in their paths with their spells. Now if it advanced Sublime Chord casting, *that* might be problematic. Furthermore, it doesn't advance bardic song, so it isn't a problem on that front either. --Ghostwheel 10:09, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Well... It's a matter of opinion... I'm not saying this class is broken, it was just a suggestion...--ElfsMaster 15:54, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Painful Lashes: It pretty much makes your whip a lethal weapon and gives you increased damage, all at once. Maybe if it`s just lethal damage, it would look ok, or else, you can choose to deal lethal damage with a small penalty, to balance things.--ElfsMaster 15:55, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

The damage increase isn't all that big considering the whip's base damage, so I don't really see a problem with this either --Ghostwheel 10:09, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Here I have to disagree. The whip is a versatile weapon designed to be damageless (oh, another thing. It doesn't say it in the description but I'm assuming that you also nullifies the "no damage versus armor bonus", otherwise it would be useless... you should add it). So, in the end you'll have a damaging whip that threatens the area around it. I wouldn;t be confortable allowing this on my campaign, again, it wouldn't kill the game, just be a little too much...--ElfsMaster 15:54, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

So... a large spiked chain? -- Jota 17:30, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Well, a cheap, SLASHING, one-handed 15ft reach spiked chain... So, not the same...--ElfsMaster 15:47, 12 August 2009 (MDT)

Whip Dance: This is the big problem IMO. In the end, it works as a flurry, which is a powerfull ability, and also adds a HUGE bonus to one of the attacks. I guess that if you take off the bonus from perform skill it would be nice.--ElfsMaster 15:55, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

So... basically it allows you to flurry with a whip. How's that a problem again? --Ghostwheel 10:09, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

The flurry is not the problem... the problem is that you add your perform ranks -3 to the attack of one blow. Assuming you have picked perform every level, it would add your level to the attack bonus of one hit during the flurry. Someone said Power Attack??--ElfsMaster 15:54, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Hmmm... perhaps if it was instead that the extra attack replaced your normal BAB with your Perform Rank -3? I think that could work well :-) --Ghostwheel 15:56, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Would be ok with me... If you have max Perform, you`d have one attack with full BAB (bonus=lvl), then it wouldn`t be a problem.--ElfsMaster 15:47, 12 August 2009 (MDT)

Long Reach: This is not really balance, just an idea. Whether you like/use or not, this ability is balanced for me. You could use a dynamic uses per day, X+Cha bonus or by the levels in the class, just to add some flavor.--ElfsMaster 15:55, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

About the Idea

Amazing class, congratulations. It really adds some new campaign possibilities and as a very cool character to play (I love Bards... I have tons of PrC`s for them... will eventually add them here in D&D Wiki --ElfsMaster 05:48, 11 August 2009 (MDT)