Talk:Warrior Nun (3.5e Class)

Rating

Power - 6/5 I give this class a 6out of 5 because FULL BAB + d10 goes with the warrior theme, but full spellcasting up to level 12 is a bit over powered, and being able to choose from the entire cleric spell list minus a few spells. I would recommend either 3/4 BAB or a predefined spell list and an increase in spell level for every 3 class levels instead of 2. --166.20.96.68 09:36, 5 September 2008 (MDT)

By the way, the rating for power is that a 5 is "well balanced" and 1 is "unbalanced". A 6, if it existed, would be "more than perfect". -- Eiji 16:50, 25 September 2008 (MDT)

Well, with all the changes made, what is the proper rating for the warrior nun class? --Gedren56 13:05, 10 October 2008 (MDT)

I added it in as 4/5 (going back on the rating scale after five, not past). --Green Dragon 03:52, 22 March 2009 (MDT)

SCORE! --Gedren56 13:52, 25 March 2009 (MDT)

You took the score away. is it the virgin thing or something else? --Gedren56 15:04, 1 April 2009 (MDT)

I added it back. Sorry, when I was looking through the diff I must have looked one to many (where you changed the spell/day). --Green Dragon 12:15, 8 April 2009 (MDT)

Oh. OK, thanks for the rating! --Gedren56 13:08, 9 April 2009 (MDT)

Duly Noted

When I was designing this character, many of the suggestions you put here did cross my mind. I agree that the class is overpowered, and i was waiting for some input before shaping the class further. I will NOT reduce the BAB, but i will knockdown the spell-casting ability to that of the adept class (DMG 107) and add a spell list. Thanks for the input! --Gedren56 13:05, 10 October 2008 (MDT)

A 4-Ed Nun?

Please update this fine class to Fourth Edition as soon as possible. I suppose you're waiting (like me) for PH2 and the new Monk, but your Nun is golden! Wintersolace 21:17, 27 February 2009 (MST)

Really? Thanks for the compliment! I didn't have any intentions of updating the Warrior Nun to 4th ed., but if you want to take a stab at it, then by all means go for it. Make sure to use the same flavor text throughout AND link to the 3.5 ed. version. I'd like to see the final product. Good luck! --Gedren56 07:43, 28 February 2009 (MST)

Thank you for the invitation to upcycle the Nun! I just may tackle the job, and plan on keeping most-all of your flavor text, which really made the entry rock. As a Catholic, I think I can speak for the consecrated religious life--which would be a first--by saying that there are nuns who are not virgins, most likely because they are what's called "late vocations," and may have even once married and had children (widows, you know). I only mention this because you make several allusions to compulsory virginity. While making the assumption that players will give their Nuns that much backstory, it would be less-restrictive for them if their characters happen to be multiclassed. May I make a suggestion in rewording and offer "must be chaste" as opposed to "must be a virgin?" Again, it's possible that I'm the only one in the Game who is hyper-vigilant about my characters' backstories...Wintersolace 16:41, 28 February 2009 (MST)

Huh. I hadn't thought about late vocation nuns at all when designing the warrior nun, I was inspired by Ben Dunn's Warrior Nun Areala [1] (hence, the virgin shield ability). Of course, I am suspicious of whether your suggestion for change isn't motivated by a need to make a non-virginal character's backstory mesh with the requirements for this class. Yes, people do go through a lot to get things changed to suit themselves without actually doing it. That said, I'll change Virgin Shield to Chastity Shield and relax the special restriction concerning virginity. I'll do it because you could have asked me to change the gender requirements, which would (a) reveal you as a weirdo and (b) force me to delete all my articles from this wiki. The changes are made, so go for it. Thanks! --Gedren56 15:01, 19 March 2009 (MDT)

I was thinking of multiclassed nuns, actually, when I questioned the virginity feature. "Virgin Shield!" sounds better when it's yelled though, doesn't it? Wintersolace 12:29, 21 March 2009 (MDT)

Yes it does, but your chastity argument won me over. Chastity Shield stays. --Gedren56 13:51, 25 March 2009 (MDT)

With the release of PH2, I think playing a 4th-Ed. Nun (without having to cook it up personally) just got a lot easier, meaning that the Invoker and Avenger classes both are interesting and can be adapted. I personally think the second volume is fantastic: what's your opinion of the book?Wintersolace 20:53, 25 March 2009 (MDT)

I try not to play 4e D&D for a few reasons:

• When I think of how PCs get +1 AC every 2 levels (among other things), it gives me hope for arcane spellcasters...and yet I find it to be fundamentally wrong. I have this idea that a sorcerer or wizard might be more compelled to wade into melee and try to cast. Naturally this will be done without a Concentration check (most casters fail that check), and the spell will fizzle when the caster can't make the damage-equivalent Concentration check to keep the spell slot. (Note: I have participated in two D&D Game Day events for 4th edition, and i've only bought the PHB for that version.)
• First-level fighters in 4e D&D are pretty good at dealing out melee damage, with evidence of the at-will ability choices that allow you to lay down copious amounts of damage. Why back in MY day, we just grabbed the biggest weapon we could find and hit people with it, no fuss no muss: now, you have different meanings and stuff on your weapon--and it's not even MAGICAL! WTF? Versatile, heavy blade, How is a 1st level fighter-guy supposed to remember all of that? I know dudes who can't calculate fighter BAB, and now you want them to remember names that aren't the name of the weapon they use? GOOD LUCK.
• From what I've understood, 4th ed. is its own game. It's only tenuously tied to 3.5 ed by a name and iconic monsters. From what I've heard, it's got 2nd ed. in there, with a twist... or it's Wizard's attempt to change D&D to mirror a design they had of a D&D-like tabletop RPG that couldn't hold up against TSR's D&D. That and its strong resemblance to World of Warcraft.

Blarg, blarg, me no likey 4th edition D&D. --Gedren56 14:07, 1 April 2009 (MDT)

4th is the first edition I've actually played, although I've followed the development since the first. You make some interesting and pertinent points. I followed up on your request about linking the 4th to the 3.5th Nun on the incorrect page, but would like to say here that I'm cautious about making the Nun more powerful than the Cleric (the entire spell library is drastically limited, no matter what power source), and that there're two classes already in PH2 that could be tweaked; so I won't attempt to make a 4thEd. version. Besides, I tried to create a wiki for new race, and I totally butchered it--you probably wouldn't want me tinkering with your hard work anyway.Wintersolace 14:48, 21 April 2009 (MDT)

Much appreciated. Thank you. --Gedren56 12:00, 28 April 2009 (MDT)