Talk:Ultimate Defender (4e Optimized Character Build)

Feedback time! You seem to have taken a stock paladin and lost 1 to 3 attack bonus for the sake of a few hit points. That might be interesting, if their core defending feature still works - divine challenge - but you've made Charisma a dump stat.

You've also traded points in Wisdom (the other secondary stat) for points in Dexterity - that is, you've gained a point in Reflex but lost 1 use of lay on hands.

I also suggest having a look at the Cavalier, since it's a class that can perform its defender role just by standing there. Marasmusine (talk) 11:12, 29 July 2013 (MDT)

Thanks for the feedback, I changed a few things, so divine challenge will now work better. I have also thought about what you said about Lay on Hands, but with Initiate of the faith, you have already one use of healing word per day, with is even better than lay on hands. EDIT: Checked out the cavalier, and it seems interesting, too bad that I don't have Heroes of the fallen lands.

A side note from a stranger here: there has been an update to PHB which allows Humans to forgo having an extra at-will and instead allows them to take a racial power which boosts one attack or skill check per encounter. Just so you know, I figure that might work better instead of the extra at-will in this build. ~OP (not Original Poster)

A +3 longsword costs much more than 15gp. You can't afford it at level 1 with standard starting wealth. - Anonymous poster

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