Talk:Spiked Chain Freak (3.5e Optimized Character Build)

Isn't it sort of cheating to use a level of wizard (along with 2000+gp worth of wizard scrolls) to prove that you can make something better than a wizard? JazzMan 21:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

You have a point there! Yes, one level wizard or sorcerer is needed to make this character build to work properly. But it's just one level...

Furthermore, the scrolls are a very efficient and cheap way to optimize any character and it was too hard for me to leave the use of them out of this optimization. Provided the character can cast spells. And hey, it is not my fault the spell casters are in general so much more powerful than basic fighters! But although the Spiked chain has a level of wizard it is nevertheless a true first-line melee combatant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.232.112.76 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts.

It just seems to me that if you are already admitting that spellcasters are the most powerful, then why try to prove that there's something more powerful? Even though you "only" have one level, you are still relying on that level, as well as all the scrolls, to function.

Don't get me wrong: adding the level is probably good for your optimization; it just goes against the stated purpose of your optimization. If you were just trying to create the best spiked chain wielder ever, then by all means add that level. JazzMan 00:27, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Nice build, but you simply can't beat spellcasters, for "PvP" they are unbeatable, but for long runs they are extreamly weak, try pass doungeon made of for kinds of elementals with wizzard, he will stuck at third, while warrior can handle all for with dificulities. There is no "overpowered" class in D&D that's why party must have all kind of clases to work well, not only wizzards. Now, with GM that counts your multiclasing, this clas would have alot of exp penalty, specialy cause this "one spellcaster lv" which makes it hard to play. If you realy hate and wana beat wizzard, try out dark elf and buff up spell ressistance, the go and play with mages and tell me what clas is the most powerfull one ^^ --Leviathan616 19:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, Im might be missing something, but you have 2 feats listed at lvl 1. You are only allowed 1 feat. Did you list 2 to chose from? That'll be from being Human?