Talk:Massage (3.5e Variant Rule)

Sexist

Not to open a can of worms, but...

Attract Subject: If the party giving the massage is the opposite sex from the one receiving it, a successful check for attract subject will have the effect of an attraction spell.

I don't feel only the opposite sex should fall to this. I mean, come on. It's 2013 for crying out loud.

I suppose "preferred sex" might work too. I didn't intend for anyone to read sexism into it, of course. Aristocles (talk) 17:11, 30 October 2013 (MDT)

I can edit that, if you insist. Any other suggestions? -- Aristocles (talk) 17:44, 20 November 2013 (MST)

The Attraction spell does not default to sexual attraction, at least not as I read it. It is simply the desire to be near someone or something. This might simply be a kind of fascination with something visual or audible, or in this case touch-based (sensual, not sexual). Further, if you watch craftsmen or corporate-types, a desire to learn from someone else's abilities is also a strongly attractive force. reddir (talk) 12:08, 5 February 2014 (MST)

Attraction does not equal sex and it does not make you a sexist to naturally default to the social norm of the last hundreds of years. Attraction really does not mean sex though so it would apply to companions, like druids can draw followers or companions that will aid them in their travels. The spell attraction subjects the target to taking additional damage from melee and range attacks, unless you are referring to a different Attraction spell than the one in Oriental Adventures. --Honorlord (talk) 20:37, 20 November 2013 (MST)

I never intended to offend anyone by limiting attraction to the opposite sex. Yes, I know there are those interested in same-sex behavior, and I am not condemning it here. Again, standards may have changed in the last couple of decades, but 98% of all people would read that as "the opposite sex" when "the preferred" sex is seen. I had intended for that last one to be useful for getting a character to cooperate with another. And I do not know about the Oriental Adventures spell. -- Aristocles (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2013 (MST)

Details

How much massage (time) is necessary for the effects to happen? How long does the pain relief last? I'll assume the change in attitude is semi-permanent, until events change it as usual. reddir (talk) 12:01, 5 February 2014 (MST)

Going by real life, I would say 30 minutes per 5 DC of the task. Marasmusine (talk) 14:32, 5 February 2014 (MST)

Hmm, I think 15 minutes per 5 DC might better fit real-world experience.

However, do you think that might be too long in an in-game use? I thought the author might suggest 1, 5, or 10 minutes per application. reddir (talk) 14:51, 5 February 2014 (MST)

Sorry for the delay. To answer the questions, the change is just as permanent as a bard's song or a similar act which modifies attitude. As for the time it takes, I'd say 10 minutes per application, for game purposes. I never considered the time table. As for how long the pain relief lasts, I simply thought of it as removing a pain-causing effect, with no return to said effect unless something causes it to return. -- Aristocles (talk) 17:08, 23 May 2014 (MDT)