Talk:Magic (Orizon Supplement)

Alterations to the find familiar spell:

If you can use a higher level spell slot to bind your familiar to a larger/more powerful or dangerous animal, what is to say you cannot capture a Dire Bear, subdue it, and use that for your familiar's body? This is obviously an extreme case, but it raises a few important points:

1. how high of a spell slot do you need to bind your familiar to a more dangerous animal? Most
   animals that would be used for a normal familiar are CR0. The Warlock's enhanced familiar options
   allow for creatures of CR as high as 1. Do you suppose the spell slot should be equal to double
   the animal's CR?
2. Since find familiar is a ritual spell, can't the caster just circumvent spell slot requirements
   by casting the strongest available version of the spell as a ritual?
3. It seems to me that find familiar was crafted as a non-scaling spell specifically for the above
   reasons. Would it be appropriate to, say, require that upper level versions of the spell be cast
   daily? (24 hour duration, then the beast returns to being a normal beast?) Or that ... no I can't
   think of another good option.

I think all that commentary came off as far more negative than I intended it to. Sorry.
Even still, I would really suggest reducing the duration of the spell to 24 hours, if you want players to be able to enhance the familiar with a higher level spell slot. Otherwise, it becomes kind of like a free Summon Monster spell.
--Entropicscholar (talk) 23:57, 24 September 2015 (MDT)

No, you make a good point, I think some corrections may be in order. But, yeah, if my players are willing to go through the trouble of subduing a dire bear and keeping it subdued until they can conclude the ritual then I'm willing to give them a dire bear familiar. So.... 1, I suppose the spell slot needed would be CR+2 (since it couldn't go above 9), 2 what do you mean? 3, honestly, I'm of the opinion that the fact that it's only one familiar, and the fact that spells like "find mount" allow for the summoning of stronger creatures, the spell would be overpowered but not broken.

But yeah, I'll write up some caveats. Lemiel14n3 (talk) 09:08, 29 September 2015 (MDT)