Talk:Jujutsu Sorcerer (Jujutsu Kaisen Supplement)

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Suggestions

Balance Suggestions

Would u mind adding a way to obtain multiple cursed techniques in a non jjk setting please? -Vinjure

Please buff the damage on disaster flames the damage is pitiful and so is the domain expansion compared to almost everything else. -thefinale3

Are you certain about the 9th level feature? It essentially means you can spend all your cursed energy virtually every fight, since turns happen out of combat as well and it takes like 2-5 minutes to recover depending on the level. Why does it… need this feature? It already seems rather powerful without it. Short rest recovery is especially non-restrictive. -TheArchmageKarsus

Are u gonna change domain expansion unlimited void 30 day rule cause that’s kind of unbalanced -modgilgmaesh101

No, because im planning on working on the subclasses some other time. And about the domain expansion thing, the Gojo and Sukuna subclasses will be a bit stronger than the others since the author is REALLY enjoying putting more and more buffs on those two. And because im trying to be as canonical as possible, they will be like that but with some nerfs here and there to make the game playable for the GM. -Xandelicious

Nerf gojo lvl 14 50d12 and sukuna 2d12? even with all cursed used can´t get that -Makgrig

Mechanical Suggestions

Hello, first I would like to thank you for this amazing class, but I have a question

Will Suguru Geto's subclass be reworked? Since now in the manga we see Kenjaku using the full potential of this innate technique and even that domain expansion he used against Yuki, it reminds him of Geto in some way. And also in my opinion, I think that the cd of 10+ the creature's challenge level is almost impossible, right? My suggestion here: I think the creature's challenge rating alone is more than enough for such a saving throw when consuming curses -Justfireball 101

Hello, this subclass will be eventually reworked since some features are wrong to the cannon. However, the creature's challenge rating thing might be reduced to 5 + cr, but not to only cr. It's supposed to be hard, since this subclass can basically stack endless monsters. Also, thank you for the support! If possible, please answer the questions down there, i'd enjoy hearing more opinions about the class. -Xandelicious

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Hi, its me Justfireball again, and tank you for this amazing class, i have some ideias for Geto/Kenjaku subclass, can i add some of them basead on the manga? Also, i have some sugestion (Spoilers ahead if you dont't read the manga). Sukuna subclass can receive a massive cursed energy, just more than Yuta, and i have some ideias for this subclass.

On 1°th Lv we can have this massive bosst of cursed energy and the cursed energy can give him gire damage instead necrotic damage. Since he has more energy than Yuta On 3°th Lv we can have the Dismantle who Sukuna can use for destroy constructions and other objects (also creatures too) On 6°th Lv we can have the Cleave who Sukuna uses depending of the energy and resistance of the enemy On 10°th Lv we can have the Fire arrow who he learn from Jogo Tokyo feature 14th the spiderweb 20°th Lv The Malevolent Shrine, when the Cleave and Dismantle are garanteed hits, i was thinking on a saving throw like the others domain to avoid the garanteed hits Also, i was thinking on give one domain expansion (like on Yuta subclass) for Kenjaku/Geto, but only de Subclasses of Sukuna and Kenjaku will have a domain expansion with no barrier (the most refined domain expansion, those can take a 100m or more, they allow one escape route, but everything on the area can be affected, including people or object without cursed energy)

What did you think?

Can you specify in the idle transfiguration class how to control the transfigured creature because there isn’t a point of combining them and controlling them and redistributing their ability scores if they can only frighten? Do they attack on their own turns or as a bonus action and what actions can they use? -modgilgamesh101

Don't worry about it, im still reworking the subclass. I will not only explain how to use the creatures, but also add a few more things Mahito could do on the anime/manga. -Xandelicious

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The cursed energy manipulation technique unlocks its black flash feature at level 10 while black flash becomes available at level 9 just wondering if this is just a bit outdated or something -ghost01172

Yes, it is outdated. Thanks for reminding me of that mistake. -Xandelicious

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So about the recent thing over infinity taking a reaction I would like to say we have seen Gojo use Infinity without reacting on multiple occasions, including at least once before his awakening. The pre-awakening instance is in chapter 69 (nice) on page 13, we see him stop two simultaneous punches from the cloning curse user without moving in any significant or meaningful way. I completely understand if you still want to make it cost a reaction for balance purposes but I thought I should note that it’d be more canon accurate for it not to take a reaction. -Unbi

I re-read the chapter and fine, i will leave it without the need to use a reaction. -Xandelicious

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Hello, I'm an anon user, and i have a sort of... recommendation for the Ratio technique. I've played this minecraft mod, and the creator gave the ratio technique a very fitting Domain Expansion. It's called Domain Expansion: Adherence Horologe. It makes a barrier, and on the floor, there is a sort of clock with it's hands spinning. I actually found out that Horologe means timepiece, so it fits. Also, Nanami(The canon user of Ratio) is a very busy person, so it fits him. Basically, the sure hit of this domain is that all strikes, no matter what, are a critical in the domain. I think it could work well. -Anon

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Hello! Just a minor suggestion from me. I was reading Mahito's fandom page to see how similar the Idle Transfiguration subclass and Mahito himself are, when I came across his Domain Expansion. The information about the Domain states that "[It] allow[s] [Mahito] to transfigure the souls of the targets within his domain without requiring physical contact," and I thought that you could make it so that the Idle Transfiguration user could use his touch-based techniques without actually touching their enemies instead of dealing 30d10 necrotic damage? -A Guy

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Hello again! Also, to make the Cursed Displacement class more anime-accurate, a feature where the Cursed Displacement user imbues an object with cursed energy (such as a rock) so that they can swap positions with it would be great. -A Guy, 5 August 2024

General Questions

Hello, first I would like to thank this Jujutsu page, I am a big fan of RPG and Jujutsu, thank you. Now I have a question that might be silly but I'll still ask, is the Generic Domain Talent involved in a barrier or is it the same as Megumi's which has no barriers? And in the case of this domain, does he gain a passive ability from the domain? - GameSThierryS.

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Hello, first I wanna say thank you so much for your hard work on this page! I love all the class features and subclasses to choose from. Secondly, I was wondering if you are going to update the 10 shadows to fit the manga? Also, it mentions on the page that "To use the other special summoning techniques, you must choose a Ten Shadows Feat" under the Cursed Rabbits tab, but there are no Ten Shadows Feats and was wondering if that was in the making?- Edawg515

Hello, thank you for the support! The Ten Shadows feats are in the making, and so are the other shadows. Although unfortunaly we problably won't have a tiger, since Sukuna kinda just smashed him into a weird fusion. -Xandelicious

Of course, anytime! Also, awesome! Just wanted to double-check and see since I plan on using the Ten Shadows in a campaign I'll be playing in. Also, that is unfortunate that we won't get tiger, but that makes sense since we haven't even seen it yet. But that begs the question, will Ten Shadow's users be getting the use of Agito since it is an actual technique, or not?- Edawg515

Yes, i do plan in letting the Ten Shadows users use Agito. Though it will problably be through a feat. Also, if it isn't much to ask could you answer the questions i made bellow in the talk page? I'd really apreciate it. :) -Xandelicious

Awesome! That makes sense to make it a feat, might wanna have a lvl Prerequisite though. Also, I just went through and answered all the questions down below!- Edawg515

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Holyyyyyyy, xandelicious is finally back baby let gooo.

Yo real quick, does anyone know if xandelicious or his partner are still working on this, or is the jujutsu kaisen dnd page becoming another demon slayer page since he hasnt responded and it hasnt been edited in a while? If anyone knows just answer when you can please. -Modgilgamesh101

Hello, it's been a while. I'm taking a pause at making jujutsu kaisen stuff since it became tiring and boring for me, so i will work on other things that have caught my interest, but i'll soon come back to it. And i know i have lots of work to do, since people have been going CRAZY with their edits. -Xandelicious

One more thing you should integrate, i just found a panel where when yuta is fighting vs sky manipulator and the other guy rika was able to open her chest and reveal she has weapons inside, doesnt seem like theres a limit but im not sure its just alot of them, so you probably want to integrate that. -modgilgamesh101

If you respond to the comment above this one as well please respond to this one and then check your page for communication xand, i messaged you about yuta cursed technique, i also want to ask if you are going to add a feat for recovering positive cursed energy with reverse cursed texhnique -modgilgamesh101

Hello, i recently noticed that the ten shadows isnt really up to date with the manga. can you please update it? thanks. - Dafik

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hello, i also have a jujutsu class and i love the geto inspired subclass, can i add it to my class? -SrZodiac

Sure thing bro, go ahead, also i thank you for the black flash and reversed cursed energy techiniques, you did a great job!

-Xandelicious

ahhh thanks s2, you can take from my class whatever you want too.

-SrZodiac

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Just curious since you made a subclass for Hakari will you make one based on Kashimo?

-Mootjester

Hi, me and my friend who are working on this class are planning on doing one for every cursed technique that exist. So answering your question, yes, there will be a subclass of Kashimo.

-Xandelicious

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Hello, shouldnt celestial restraint offer massive movement speed increase compared to the average jjk sorcerer, not only doubling during rage mode right? -modgilgamesh101

Hmmm, that's true. I will revise that. -Xandelicious

Hi sorry about asking this, but i just found ur demon slayer page and it is amazing, but some breathing styles are still left empty, do you know when you are going to go back and finish them because they are spectacular and i cant wait to see that for lightning breath and mist and such? I also just found ur demon class and its also amazing, is that also the same? -modgilgamesh101

Im focusing on the jujutsu kaisen stuff first, since i'd like to have at least one finished supplement in this site. Just a warning though, ask these kind of questions in my user page please.

-Xandelicious

I know this is selfish but got a great dnd class creator. Could you work on the dungeon capturer class since magi and dnd are so relatable and it would be a great class since it also has a lot of content, also is their anything left to update in the jujutsu kaisen variant class? -modgilgamesh101

Sorry, i know nothing about Magi so creating a class out of this would not be possible for me. And well, the jujutsu sorcerer class still needs to get most of it's subclasses reworked so it's going to take a long time to finish it. Im also planning on turning this class into a caimpaign class, making it's own feats and other kinds of things.

-Xandelicious

Do you have a specific schedule for when you upload your updates, and when is your next one and what’s it about? -modgilgamesh101

I generally upload only on tuesdays and thursdays, but there are some cases that i upload on other days as well.

-Xandelicious

Hi sorry I dont want to be annoying but ive been so excited and im curious when is the reword for cursed speech estimated to come? -modgilgamesh101

It's going to be the last thing we're going to rework, since i'll be honest with you, it's definetely my least favorite subclass. -Xandelicious

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Hi there, me and a couple of friends love using your class, but we have a question about what you wrote for the 13th level the School Graduation from Tokyo Jujutsu High, " You will improve one of your Cursed Techniques, making it become a top tier technique." What exactly does making a cursed technique top tier entail? If you could please clarify, thank you. -Blufax11

Basically, this is a feature that's still being worked on. At the moment, only 3 Innate Techniques have them, which are "Straw Doll Technique", "Ratio Technique" and "Cursed Displacement". It's supposed to give you an additional feature at 13th level, although at the moment not every subclass has it.

-Xandelicious

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Are you planning on making any changes to Star Rage any time soon? just curious -RandomUget

It's going to take a while, but soon enough it will be reworked to be playable along with the rest of the class. -Xandelicious

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Hello, I'm back, and I have a quick question. So I saw for an earlier question you answered you said you planned on making a subclass for every cursed user, but do you plan on making one for Takumi Ino as well, or is there too little about him to do so?- Edawg515

Hello, from what i saw there's enough to make a subclass on it. -Xandelicious

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When will we have new talents for the class? (I tried to combine some generic DnD flair but it didn't feel organic for the character I created) -S.Revenant

Hello, it will be added at the next tuesday. -Xandelicious

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Hello, I just created supplemants (Round deer, Piercing Ox) and I was wondering where you would want me to put the extra shikgami for the 10 shadows technique (Mourn Tiger, Chimera Beast Agito)? Thanks! -Nu

Hello, the chimera beast will be a feat, however the others will be treated as normal spirits. However, i do not know how do you plan to create Mourn Tiger since it was not even show. Also, thank you for making them both! I wanted to make them some other time, and you did this for me. So, thank you! -Xandelicious

In terms of the Fanmade innate techniques, what balances could be done/made?

Nu (talk) 14:10, 28 October 2023 (MDT)

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Can someone add a cleave and dismantle subclass? I would do it myself, but i just dont know how his abilities would be implemented tbh. In hoping someone has some ideas. I bet it would be purposefully slightly op so if you cant make a subclass out of it can u at least make a sukuna statblock? - Thefinale3

The Sukuna subclass will come after more details about his technique are revealed. Just be patient. -Xandelicious

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In the Disaster Flame subclass for both the purple volcano and purple meteor are unusable until higher levels because the amount of purple flame points needed to use those is higher than your proficiency bonus. I was wondering if that was intentional or just an oversight? -Cat9373

Yes, it was intentional. Specially the meteor, since it's purple version is kind of OP.

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Hi was looking at the rework for Blood Manipulation and for Flowing Red Scale when it says You will gain an additional action on each of your turns. That action can be used only to take the Attack (one weapon attack only), Dash, Disengage, Hide, or Use an Object action. Does the one weapon attack rule count for unarmed strikes as well or is it just for weapons like daggers longswords and guns and stuff. -Snowflake1499

Hello, it does count for unarmed strikes. -Xandelicious

Hi, I was wondering about the 14th lvl Curse manipulation technique, when you use the ability and gain the features from the uzumakied creature, is that permanent?

Hi i was reading the new Construction subclass and I had a question regarding Cursed Energy Deficiency, except for the Liquid Metal skill all other skills from the class are affected right? So that means that Insect Armor with a base cost of 10 points is 20, Tokyo School Feature:True Sphere goes from 20 to 40 and Domain Expansion: Threefold Affliction goes from 25 to 50 right? or am I missing something because with the number of curse points, you can have by the time you get some of these skills you wouldn't be able to use them at least not right away. -Snowflake1499

I was looking into binding vows and seen the master/servant one. Couldn't the master just make the servants cursed energy, range and damage die reduce by just one and receive the same benefits as a if they had reduced it to minimum? THESNAKEOFHELL (talk) 12:44, 7 January 2024 (MST)

Excited to try this and thanks for making this. It is a bit hard to find stuff for my players. Could you make each new section like cursed techniques into links. Instead of the scrolling around trying to find their stuff. Thank you DMinden

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Hi i have 2 questions for the Falling Blossom Emotion feat. 1 does it still shield the user from the special sure-hit attack of a domain like Self-Embodiment of Perfection constitution save. 2 in the feat it says it does not work for melee weapon attacks so would it not work against the fish shikigami sure-hit melee attacks from Horizon of the Captivating Skandha? -Snowflake1499

Hello, LordCapricorn999 here, relatively new here, but I was wondering if Miguel's Prayer Song technique would be added in the near future. Untill then, fellow compatriots. - LordCapricorn999

Creator Questions

As the creator of the class, i have been having some doubts about the class users preferences and would like to have you guys' opinions on the class. This will serve as a way to know what the players want, and also how is the class bein used currently.

What's Your Generally Chosen Subclass?

Explain in detail what is the subclass you generally pick, and list out the reasons of why you choose it.

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I generally pick cursed spirit manipulation, although my personal favorites are cursed displacement, copy technique, and cursed speech but that needs to be updated i think. -modgilgamesh101

Do you have any specific reasons to like those specific subclasses? And yes, the copy technique and cursed speech will be updated soon enough. -Xandelicious

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I'm using the archetype of the ten shadows, for the simple reason that I think it's cool to make a melee combatant with the support of summoning, almost making a parallel with the Naruto work hehehehe. I hope that in the future, the two shadows Deer and Taurus will be made available, and maybe a talent related to what Sukuna did with the ten shadows, that would be crazy! -S.Revenant

Thanks for your opinion! Yes, in the future they will be available. And im planning to add lots of feats to the Ten Shadow Techniques, like summoning the Max Elephant on top of enemies to deal damage. Im glad you're having fun with the subclass, it will just get better in the future! -Xandelicious

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Gotta be the Ten Shadows Technique. It is my absolute favorite to summon creatures and I've been wanting a subclass that can do that and allow the summoner to fight and this subclass does just that! Can't wait to gang up on my enemies with shikigami by my side.- Edawg515

Me personally I was using Perfect Vessel when it was still known as cursed energy manipulation haha. I just love having fighting characters who just use their hands to win fights. Divergent fist is a fun feature and so is getting to use black flash early. THESNAKEOFHELL (talk) 12:47, 7 January 2024 (MST)

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Right now, I'm using the Private Pure Love Train subclass, because of the way gambling is incorporated into the subclass. The Jackpot function is an amazing part of the subclass, as it feels awesome to be at the mercy of the d6s, and still prevail and get the Jackpot. Everything about it is astonishing overall, and the sheer suspense of rolling the d6s and hoping to get a Jackpot would make it my favorite subclass!- A Guy

What is The Jujutsu School You Pick?

Explain in detail what is the Jujutsu School you generally pick, and list out the reasons of why you choose it.

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I think both are generally great but i do get confused sometimes, should the tokyo feature not apply for people who dont choose it in classes like disaster flames? -modgilgamesh101

I don't really get the question, but i'll try to answer. The tokyo school feature serves as a way for paths to gain one additional feature, but not every path has it just yet. -Xandelicious

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I'd definitely have to go with the Tokyo School. Cursed Energy Economy is great and gaining the extra features at lvl 14 kinda sold it for me. Though I can see some benefits for picking the Kyoto school. I think it all depends on what build you wanna go for.- Edawg515

Thanks for the opinion! I'd say in most cases the Tokyo school is better, but there are subclasses that benefit more of the Kyoto School. Although i feel the Kyoto school needs a small buff, but i still don't know what do with it. -Xandelicious

What do You Generally Build?

Explain your general build in detail, explaining things like ability scores, feats, race, subclass and etc.

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-completey custom homebrew, but in a dnd setting so we can still enjoy the material, thats why making cursed techniques realted to spells gives it more options, so it is usable in every dnd setting and campaign. -modgilgamesh101

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I generally build a lot of Dexterous characters and I never really had decent Charisma until I played a homebrew fire bender class that mixed Charisma and Dex. That character recently died, so now I'm going to try out this class because it has the same proficiencies, but everything is completely different! Feats really depends, but I find myself liking Skill Expert a lot, and I usually go human or some sort of elf for a race. But for this build, I plan on going Half-Elf(wood) with the Ten Shadows Technique.- Edawg515

That's some very interesting concepts, i can see the fun in playing with dex based characters. High initiative and AC never hurt anyone, right? -Xandelicious

What's The Strongest Subclass?

Tell your opinion on what is the current strongest subclass in the class, and explain the reasons. (Subclasses that start at 2nd level will not be counted, since they will be reworked in the nearby future.)

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Obviously 6-eyes -modgilgamesh101

Well, that's problably going to stay the same even after we change the subclass. -Xandelicious

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I can see a lot of people saying Limitless, and that makes sense. It is always gonna be good no matter what, but I think that the Ten Shadows Technique, Ratio Technique, and the Vengeful Spirit Technique have a chance at taking the Number One spot. Ten Shadows offers a lot of coverage for you and your party with your summons, and the best thing is, a shikigami going berserk isn't necessarily a bad thing. There is no summoning range so just summon Mahoraga behind an enemy that you are struggling with and use it as a distraction to GTFO. Ratio Technique might be one some people are shocked by, but the lower your critical hit range by 1d7 is incredible. Multiclassing with that feature with something like a Champion Fighter or a Rogue to get a bunch of sneak attack damage is really nice. Finally, Vengeful spirit is very nice with copying techniques and the 14th lvl feature are both very nice.- Edawg515

That's a very interesting opinion! In my humble opinion as the creator, the limitless subclass is very hard to use in case you don't have the six eyes feat, since it drains a lot of cursed energy. The ten shadows range will sadly be adjusted, since it does have a range in the official work, although it's still very strong because... er, Mahoraga. The Ratio technique is simple, but effective. There's not much to talk about it. Im planning on reworking the vengeful cursed spirit subclass, so it will problably get stronger. -Xandelicious

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A part of me wants to say Blood Manipulation, even though that's just because it has a subclass feature at 14th lvl plus the optional Tokyo School Feature which might change at some point I guess but who knows. -Snowflake1499

Well it will change soon, but that's an interesting opinion to have nonetheless. Though the subclass itself will receive a slight rework, mainly in how blood works. -Xandelicious

What's The Weakest Subclass?

Tell your opinion on what is the current Weakest subclass in the class, and explain the reasons. (Subclasses that start at 2nd level will not be counted, since they will be reworked in the nearby future.)

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Cursed speech -modgilgamesh101

I can see why you put it here, since it is very outdated compared to well... most of the whole class. -Xandelicious

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To be honest, curse speech is kind of a letdown, but there really isn't much you can do with it than leaving things up to people's imagination and how they use the technique. But I would definitely put Tool Manipulation down with it. Tool manipulation is very lacking compared to everything else with the only good thing being a flying speed and the lvl 3 and 20 features, but in terms of everything else, there are other subclasses that have much better options.- Edawg515

Hmmm... it is true, tool manipulation is not as good as it could be. But both of these subclasses are going to be reworked, so they can keep up with the others. -Xandelicious

Edit Warring

I am locking this page in light of the recent edits and reverts and vice versa, and also per discord. If this continues, the lock will be extended accordingly. Please use this talk page to constructively come to an agreement.--Yanied (talk) 13:55, 1 June 2024 (MDT)

Okay. All I did was remove my own work and explain why it was gone. Silencing me from doing that is weird, especially since I touched nothing which I didn’t exclusively make. The Archmage Karsus (talk) 13:57, 1 June 2024 (MDT)

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