Talk:Foundling Monk (3.5e Optimized Character Build)

Tattooed Monk

I just checked both the Oriental Adventures and Complete Warrior version of this class. In neither of them does the Mountain tattoo grant +4 Str and +4 Con. Both versions grant +4 Wis and +4 Con. 173.24.181.0 05:36, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Ogre

Monster class rules require you to take all monster levels before any character class levels. Also, an alternative to the ogre, is the half-ogre (Races of Destiny). It only gets a +6 to Str and +2 to Con, but mental stat penalties are only −2 to Int and Cha, and it's still Large with only a +2 LA and only one racial HD which can be replaced with a character class level. —Sledged (talk) 15:37, 24 December 2007 (MST)

I looked at the half-ogre, but the one I found online was size M. That one sounds perfect. -- S1Q3T3 16:17, 24 December 2007 (MST)

Odds and Ends

• The Savage Species (3.0) half-ogre is a bit different from the Races of Destiny (3.5) one.
• With the progression you put together, the character doesn't have any HD (class, racial, or otherwise) until 3rd level. The first two levels are just adjustments. If you do the do the monster class progression, you have to have a class level (or the racial HD, but giant HD don't compare to monk levels) at 1st ECL.
• Feats need to be redone now that you're using the half-ogre. The character doesn't meet the prereqs for Improved Sunder (requires Power Attack), Improved Trip (requires Combat Expertise unless it's taken at the 6th level of monk), Fist of Iron [requires BAB +2 (and Stunning Fist if the Complete Warrior version is used)], Improved Natural Attack (BAB +4), Eagle Claw Attack (requires Improved Sunder), and Ki Shout (requires Cha 13).
• The ability score increase characters gain every four levels does not apply to level adjustments, only Hit Dice.

Progression

ECL	Class/HD/LA	Feats	Special
1st	monk	Improved Unarmed Strike, bonus feat (Improved Trip, Stunning Attack, or martial arts feat), feat	half-ogre base traits (+2 Str, +2 Con, −2 Int, −2 Cha, giant type, darkvision), flurry of blows
2nd	half-ogre LA		+2 Str, +2 natural armor
3rd	half-ogre LA		+2 Str, +2 natural armor, Large size, −2 Dex
4th	monk	bonus feat (Combat Reflexes, Deflect Arrows, or martial arts feat)	evasion
5th	monk	feat	still mind
6th	monk		ki strike (magic), slow fall 20 ft., ability score increase (+1 Str)
7th	monk		purity of body
8th	tattooed monk	feat	tattoo

—Sledged (talk) 20:40, 25 December 2007 (MST)