Talk:Escort (5e Class)

Perhaps this would be more appropriate as a variant of the entertainer background, rather than its own standalone class. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs | email)‎ . . 00:29, 16 September 2017 (MDT)

Please be aware that we now have a policy against having "sexually explicit" material (because of our agreement with Google), and Green Dragon has been playing it safe and proposing deletion on pages that have any kind of sexual content. Marasmusine (talk) 03:14, 16 September 2017 (MDT)

Sexual Stuff

You do you. I made it but I understand if you can not display this class.

Balance?

what is unbalance on this page?

That IP has added a bunch of "see talk page" messages to different pages and then not explained anything.

But while I'm here, I'll have a quick look.

• "Change of Fine Clothing" is not a tool proficiency
• Has proficiency with leather armor so ought to start with some leather armor.
• Specifying "finesse" weapons for proficiency is unnecessary. Since they only have proficiency in a light armor, you've made Dexterity a priority anyway; but I see no reason to deny an atypical Strength build.
• "Escort's Encouragement" is the same as "Bardic Inspiration", "Bed Roll Rounds" is the same as "Song of Rest", and I think "Lay with Me" is the same as "Lay on Hands"? Not a balance issue, just a bit disappointing and makes me wonder if this couldn't just be a bard archetype.
• Distracting figure. Are sure only creatures immune to charm are immune to this? What about blind creatures?
• No DC on Flashing. If this was a bard, it would just be a casting of charm person. Are you sure this couldn't be a bard archetype? Making it sexual and nonmagical raises questions like "why would a bugbear care that you've exposed yourself"?
• No DC on One-Night Stand
• No damage type on Arousal.
• Whip it Out is overpowered. This could be +10 to every attack roll with a whip.
• Same with Erotica. All unfriendly creatures (apparently regardless of where they are) have -5 to their attack rolls, and all friendly creatures have +5 to their attack rolls?
• Spelling and grammar errors everywhere. Marasmusine (talk) 02:22, 21 September 2017 (MDT)

• "Change of Fine Clothing" is not a tool proficiency - Removed

• Has proficiency with leather armor so ought to start with some leather armor. - Fixed

• Specifying "finesse" weapons for proficiency is unnecessary. Since they only have proficiency in a light armor, you've made Dexterity a priority anyway; but I see no reason to deny an atypical Strength build. - The Word Finesse removed.

• "Escort's Encouragement" is the same as "Bardic Inspiration", "Bed Roll Rounds" is the same as "Song of Rest", and I think "Lay with Me" is the same as "Lay on Hands"? Not a balance issue, just a bit disappointing and makes me wonder if this couldn't just be a bard archetype.

I know they are from Bard. I just took them from that class and reword it some. I did not want to make this an bard archetype. I had a new player who came to me and ask if her first char could be an Escort. I made this for her. I wanted it to be a very utility char who she can have fun with.

• Distracting figure. Are sure only creatures immune to charm are immune to this? What about blind creatures? - Fixed

• No DC on Flashing. If this was a bard, it would just be a casting of charm person. Are you sure this couldn't be a bard archetype? Making it sexual and nonmagical raises questions like "why would a bugbear care that you've exposed yourself"? - Fixed

• No DC on One-Night Stand - Fixed

• No damage type on Arousal. - Fixed

• Whip it Out is overpowered. This could be +10 to every attack roll with a whip. - Fixed

• Same with Erotica. All unfriendly creatures (apparently regardless of where they are) have -5 to their attack rolls, and all friendly creatures have +5 to their attack rolls? - Fixed

• Spelling and grammar errors everywhere. - I am dyslexic this is about the best I can do. I put it through spell check and listen to text to speech and edited. I need help to fix the mistakes that are still here.

• the damage on lipstick changes twice on the same level, other than that good class can't wait to try it out tBalanced (talk) 07:15, 28 September 2017 (MDT)

Fixed the issue

• Caduceus and Mercy seem a bit similar, you go 5 levels just do heal 1 more d8, maybe make it cure a disease or status effect, or fix broken/severed limbs Balanced (talk) 00:07, 30 September 2017 (MDT)
• Yeah. I also feel that Mercy should have an upgrade at higher levels. Not stronger than Caduceus, but just enough so that you can use both features. Or just make mercy depend on your charisma mod, though that might be overpowered. --Vexxity (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2023 (MST)

• Maybe half your charisma mod, rounded up? For Mercy. --Vexxity (talk) 15:34, 24 November 2023 (MST)

• just realised Caduceus was updated to have the properties of "lesser restoration", so that's good.

Wanted to add something: You can't have healers kit proficiency Would giving them healers kit to begin with be overpowered btw? Or did you mean they get the Healer feat, I don' know.--Vexxity (talk) 08:55, 15 November 2023 (MST)

Interesting, but weak

This seems to be a play off bard, making it focus on seduction and healing. I really like it! It seems interesting, but I feel like it could use some buffs. 1. Add spellcasting. Give them a full 9 levels of spells, or even halfcaster, with access only to Enchantment, Illusion, and Cleric Necromancy spells (I specify Cleric so that it gives more healing options but not the power to raise the dead, which would be uncharacteristic.) 2. Buff healing abilities in other ways. 3. Way of the Beast seems very out of character. What kind of escort has a donkey following them? I would remove it entirely. 4. Since i recommend adding spells to the whole class, in Way of Leather replace the spellcasting with extra attack. It seems much more in line with the archetype. 5. Not a buff, but in the feature descriptions put a spot saying that there are archetypes. My first time looking through I didn’t see a description for the archetypes and was missing out for a while. --Cobaltfalcon (talk) 19:30, 9 December 2017 (MST)

1. Add spellcasting. Give them a full 9 levels of spells, or even halfcaster, with access only to Enchantment, Illusion, and Cleric Necromancy spells (I specify Cleric so that it gives more healing options but not the power to raise the dead, which would be uncharacteristic.)

I didn't want to make this a magical class. To me there no reason for an escort to know spells.

2. Buff healing abilities in other ways.

How would you buff them?

3. Way of the Beast seems very out of character. What kind of escort has a donkey following them? I would remove it entirely.

Thank about it. :)

4. Since i recommend adding spells to the whole class, in Way of Leather replace the spellcasting with extra attack. It seems much more in line with the archetype.

Once again I don't want to add magic to class the few spells I added can think as some BDSM.

5. Not a buff, but in the feature descriptions put a spot saying that there are archetypes. My first time looking through I didn’t see a description for the archetypes and was missing out for a while.

Fixed

Cleric necromancy spells almost exclusively deal in raising the dead, and, as far as I know, lacks even a single healing option. --24.103.152.138 10:09, 19 April 2018 (MDT)

Revivify, Spare the Dying, False Life, Raise Dead, Ressurection, and True Resurection have all left the chat. --Vexxity (talk) 15:25, 24 November 2023 (MST)

Giving this some identity

This class has a hodgepodge of bard and paladin support abilities without the spellcasting of either. It's got some nice ideas but its numbers just don't let it succeed. I made a several of changes to try and help with that. I also tried to give the class a better identity. The archetypes already use whips and grapples. I added some early level changes to give the later levels in core escort something to work off of. At the very least it will give an escort player something to do once they're out of encouragement dice besides roll basic attacks.

10th level really could use another ability/benefit, and the same goes for 13th Level. The 6th and 11th level Archetype features for the Way of Silk could do with some secondary benefits on top of healing spells those levels grant. Rekeme (talk) 22:36, 12 February 2018 (MST)

What changes did you make?

Duplicate abilities

Hello, I would like to point out that the way of the kiss has its capacities which take over the capacities of the basic class.

Let's look at level 6, the base class gets an ability similar to suggestion. The way of the kiss in turn gives an ability similar to suggestion.

Also, in the leather path, on level 3 there is the ability: "Leather Lifestyle. At 3rd level, when you wear light armor, you can add your Charisma modifier to your AC instead of your Dexterity modifier".

I find this ability a regression from the "Sexy Armor" ability.

--Vexxity (talk) 09:28, 14 November 2023 (MST) Not really, because the “Sexy Armor” feature is about unarmed AC, and the other one is AC with light armor.

--Vexxity (talk) 09:34, 15 November 2023 (MST)I do agree about the level 6 feature issue, however.