Talk:Culling Miasma (3.5e Epic Power)

Balance

Overkill much? By like, at least 100 negative levels and about 2000 on the DC? -- Jota 18:39, 4 July 2009 (MDT)

Well, you see, one day I was like... hmm what if my character was in the blood war in the picture from the DMG pg 160. Then I thought, I'd want a pretty big kill spell for that situation that would take out all of the baddies. So I made this. When you have a character with 900000 ranks in psicraft the DC isn't really all that bad...[1]. Gd1 20:25, 4 July 2009 (PDT)

If you're level 30 shouldn't you have a max rank of 33? Or do epic rules remove that limit? Even still, there's no way you could have that many ranks. -- Jota 21:36, 4 July 2009 (MDT)

Quoting from the link I posted... (Check the "Other Notes" part of the character sheet to see it)

-All skills are class skills for Rathe, Rathe gains (10 * character level) ^ 2 in bonus skill points per level (4 times this amount at first level), and the number of ranks he may buy in a skill is not limited by his character level. Gd1 22:33, 4 July 2009 (PDT)

In a word, why? -- Jota 01:26, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

Rules

-As per DnD definitions- those with demigod status have (at most) 40 levels and 0 divine rank. This is the power limit of Town. Gd1 11:20, 5 July 2009 (PDT)

Divine Ranks and Skill Checks says a bonus equal to your divine rank. Where are you coming up with this ish? And what the hell is Town? -- Jota 15:07, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

Where in all of that does it say you can have close to a million bonus skill points? Nowhere, except on your character sheet. If anything, this spell seems like a violation of the aforementioned Rules link: it's godmodding. Not that that violation makes any difference here; according to normal DnD rules, dieties get bonus skill points equal to their divine rank (which is, in the case of your level 30 character, 0). I see no reason to have 900000 ranks in Psicraft except that your character sheet says so, along with a whole bunch of other stuff that even a level 30 psion wouldn't have. - TG Cid 16:59, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

Well, actually not it's not godmodding. Godmodding, simply put, is forcing another character in the town to do something against their will without asking them. They would call this being creative. I'm just having fun man... Also, The Town is a freeform roleplaying environment where things are somewhat governed by D&D rules but not always. You make a character and role play them in the town. To more clearly answer Jota's question: My Character Sheet (Look in the "other notes" section near the bottom)Gd1 17:45, 5 July 2009 (PDT)

I get that you have said that your character gets "(10 * character level) ^ 2 in bonus skill points per level (4 times this amount at first level)," but why does your character get this? -- Jota 20:48, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

Because in spite of the power level restriction in the town, you need to be far more than just a normal character just to survive some of the occurrences that happen on a daily basis there. Gd1 20:24, 5 July 2009 (PDT)

So basically there's no way anyone could ever learn this power other than by playing by your "I have this because I said so" rules? -- Jota 21:33, 5 July 2009 (MDT)

Two ways come to mind... 1> Having a power level (character level) that's OVER 9000!!! 2> Abusing the fact that efreeti have wish as a spell-like ability at no XP cost which means you could wish for an item that grants +9001 or so to psicraft checks. But yeah, this is more for my purposes than for actual campaign use. If you want something I made for actual campaign use check this out. Gd1 22:05, 5 July 2009 (PDT)

You mean an item that would cost 8,101,800,100 gp? That's 8 billion gp. There's probably not even that much money in a campaign setting. And isn't there a limit on how much one can enchant an item to give bonuses (can't find it on a quick skim). This whole thing just seems massively pointless. Even April Fools material is usable. This... not so much. -- Jota 23:27, 7 July 2009 (MDT)

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So why did you post it on the wiki if you are the only one who can use it. I mean this is not a real power, it is not feasible or even attainable in a normal game. It just doesn't seem like something like this belongs on this site, but rather belongs in your own personal records or with your character on the Town. Also just as a side note about your race the Sindrans, you mention some stuff about lycanthrope, which can only affect humanoids and giants, just thought I would let you know. -Sarrow 00:26, 8 July 2009 (MDT)

A few things: Thanks for the pointing out on lycanthropy with respect to abberations... I posted it here because I like the format and it's easy to find. I just wanted to have fun people... is that so wrong? Also, I thought this wiki was for user generated content even if it isn't useable in most cases. Gd1 17:21, 8 July 2009 (PDT)

No, it's not wrong at all to want to have fun. The only problem is, using a power like this isn't most peoples' idea of fun (perhaps I'm generalizing, but I would have to guess that have commented here wouldn't use it either). The point of posting something on a public Wiki like this is so they could use it as well, right? I'm not necessarily saying nobody would use it, but as far as I know most people don't ever reach 9,000 ranks in any skill (or even too much over 100 ranks even at epic levels). And something most people will not use won't be well recieved by a lot of people on the Wiki. If you use it for your campaign, great, but a lot of campaigns don't feature full-scale Blood War massacres (at least not on the same level as one that would require the use of this power. It's what some people call an "I win button": if you can cast it, everything within a mile is just dead.

I would also like to point out the potential flaws in this ability that might turn someone off even if they considered using it. 381 days to cast? I'm no expert on Epic seeds, but that's a hell of a long time when you could just be blasting lower level powers that would cumulatively do about as much (at least over all that time). Plus, what if some enemy powerful enough to take you on was immune to energy drain? Oops. - TG Cid 18:40, 8 July 2009 (MDT)

That's 381 days to research, I believe. Ghostwheel 18:45, 8 July 2009 (MDT)

Thanks for the correction. The original point still stands, though, from a certain point of view at least. - TG Cid 19:07, 8 July 2009 (MDT)

All I know is that I plan to use it and I want everyone who can to benefit from my creativity (maybe even steal the idea and make something with it). Also, this is designed to take out any of the demons or devils described in the Monster Manual I, for higher level bosses Rathe need only manifest Enduring Acceleration and make a custom epic power to deal with the situation. Alternatively...

Also, remember that the enemy would have to be immune by type (such as being undead and not through shapechange either), other means of being immune would be ineffective. Gd1 13:32, 9 July 2009 (PDT)