Talk:Character (Shinobi World Supplement)

I feel like the clan boons should be in place of the skill proficiency rather than the feat. Especially since a lot of them are just flavor to get a specific path naturally. --24.162.54.189 07:04, 20 January 2023 (MST)

Skill proficiencies are a core system of 5e, you'd be doing away with effectively everything except combat (and even then, features like Sage Kata are balanced assuming at least some creatures have certain proficiencies). Additionally, the path-gaining clan boons are a lot more than just flavor text. Clan Boons are an aspect of the setting, as are implantable paths. Every implantable path, not including Path of the Beast, has some way of giving it to another creature while keeping it yourself. In a typical setting, this isn't a problem, since you'll really only have 1 character with chakra, but with a party of shinobi, it's pretty easy to have every player death (or even just a single eye swap or high level implantation party) give players a significant power boost. To at least try to curtail this, having an implantable path requires giving up a feat's worth of power. I also wouldn't call 12 out of roughly 100 a lot.--Ref3rence (talk) 16:36, 24 January 2023 (MST)

I didn't mean to get rid of all skill proficiencies, just the 1 that comes with the varient human rules. Clan boons are also technically either Racial abilities your born with, or special training you undergo. Idk I just feel like using a feat to decide what family you were born into is odd, and it's not like someone who wasn't born into a clan would have more training than a Uchiha or a Hyuga. I feel like if there wasn't the option to implant, giving up the feat would be more than fair, but unless I missed something(which is entirely possible) Than the only real downside of implanting is the slightly higher chakra cost, and even that only applies to dojutsu. I feel like with implanting, those clans need to have some other bonus if they are going to take the feat slot. Otherwise they should take the stat boost or skill proficiency slot of the varient human.--Azura (talk) 13:31, 25 January 2023 (MST)

Adding an additional benefit to implantable path clans doesn't actually sound like the worst idea, and could actually be pretty fun. Should be on page now.--Ref3rence (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2023 (MST)

I'd say that makes the feat replacement fair, but I think it should be something more representative of the clan as a whole, like The Uchiha's gain 1 extra jutsu at 2nd lvl, and the main family Hyuga get a bonus to ac since their training is geard to not being hit despite the super close range their techniques require, The branch family is designed to protect the main family, so maybe they get the I won't allow my friends to die nindo early. Otsutsuki feels super powerful, but it is restricted to getting a specific boon, so I guess it's fair. I didn't know which name to check some of the others at, so that's all I've got.--Azura (talk) 06:41, 27 January 2023 (MST)

The Uchiha clan is shown to have particularly powerful Fire Style jutsu (which is stated outright in Sasuke's flashbacks with Fugaku). A +1 bonus to AC is less fitting than having a jutsu the main family canonically uses on the branch family, and would feel a little too close to power gaming since you should already have a high AC from having a high Dexterity from having your main jutsu being determined by Dexterity. The Hyuga Branch Family is the only one I'm not 100% on, but I'm not sure giving them a nindo is the right idea.--Ref3rence (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2023 (MST)

I mean yeah, but Sasuke seems to prefer lightning, Itachi probably used it the most, but even he used genjutsu more, shisui's specialty was shunshin and excelling at the basics, and obito mostly dropped it the second he had other options. Also it was only really the elders that used the cage bird though, Hinata obviously would never do that, and Hanabi doesn't seem to know much about it. The branch family was a hard one for sure, Maybe undo the split, and give them both th 1s count as 2s for unarmed strikes? I just feel like the Uchiha one is useless if you don't pick fire, which admittedly I wouldn't because lightning is awesome, and I want yin-yang style. If it was for whatever starting nature you have then fine, but I feel like there were other things that would represent the Uchiha's training better.

That's fair, we are already locking them into a specific path (though lore-wise it's still the only major aspect of the clan not adapted in the Path of Hatred, and it's not that big of a bonus to give up). Still, +1 jutsu doesn't really change how you play or benefit you all that much, especially with Replication. That also seems like a much more succinct option for the Hyuga clan.--Ref3rence (talk) 00:03, 28 January 2023 (MST)