Talk:Bladesinger (3.5e Optimized Character Build)

Paladin Instead of Warblade

Great build. But with the feat: "from smite to song" from Champions of valor, would bard and paladin levels stack for the purpose of determining your bonus to Inspire courage? Ofcoarse you can not take levels in both paladin and bard because of alignment restricitions, but you could always take the Paladin of Anarchy class from Unearthed Arcana. The charisma needed for both classes would help with almost every class feature and lay on hands and divine grace are never bad. And the battle caster feat is never bad for casting in medium or heavy armor. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.82.103.143 (talk • contribs) 2009-08-11 22:32. Please sign your posts.

Unfortunately, the Paladin class is pretty fail in almost every way. Warblade grants you all kinds of cool maneuvers which you can use to boost your attacks (Steel wind at low levels comes to mind) or throw off bad effects on you (Iron Heart Surge) or buff allies (White Raven Tactics) or allow rogues to easily attack enemies (White Raven Strike). With all this and more, the choice between Paladin (stick up the ass class features are meh IMO) and Warblade is clear. However, I can see it as being a semi-viable variant, and might add it as one. --Ghostwheel 17:52, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Well, I just downloaded Champions of Valor and I saw that feat and autimatically thought of your build. Probally three levels in bard and the rest in paladin, or supplemental levels in some prestige class. It wouldn't be a bad build, it just needs something else...what? --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.82.103.143 (talk • contribs) 2009-08-11 00:23. Please sign your posts.

Less paladin ;-) The class just doesn't give you much unfortunately, being completely front-loaded and not doing much interesting. Doesn't make for too interesting of combat, unfortunately. That said, thanks for pointing it out, and I added a blurb about it under Variants. --Ghostwheel 18:27, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Your right about the multiclassing. But wouldn't "From Smite to Song" also apply to crusader who has the smite ability as well? There is no requirement of beinga paladin in the feat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.82.103.143 (talk • contribs) 2009-08-11 1:59. Please sign your posts.

First, please sign your posts in the future? You can do so with four of these in a row: ~

I suppose it depends on the DM, since it specifies "Smite Evil" and Crusaders get just "Smite". Plus, you wouldn't have enough Smites per day in my mind to get you through all the encounters every single day due to Crusader's only getting two from level 1-20. Still, perhaps Crusader 6 / Warblade 14 with Extra Smite or somesuch could make it work. --Ghostwheel 22:23, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

A question that has been bugging me about this build is this: How does he gain inspire courage bonus progression? And four feats at level 1? Plus, Diehard requires Endurance. Not saying it's not a great build, but I'm failing to see how exactly it works if it's failing to follow simple level progression game mechanics. --{Adoven}

Draconic Heritage

Draconic Heritage requires Sorcerer lvl. 1. Is it documented somewhere that it can be taken as a Bard? EDIT: Nevermind. Found out how. For those of you who were as unthorough as I:

Dragontouched can be used to open up Draconic Heritage.