User talk:Tavish

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4e Pics

Thanks for removing those silly stubs by Alleycat. Nice work! --Jay Freedman 00:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Although that really does bring up the point of soon we need another splitting factor to distinguish really good content from that which is not that. Maybe balance again though. --Green Dragon 03:44, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone found a method of characterizing or quantifying how over- or under-balanced a race is? Such as, what features would characterize a race that needs fine adjustments verses moderate tweaking? Tavish 05:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Only experience and playtesting my friend. Look at what other races have and use that as a base. But OP and UnderP have always been impossible to quantify. Always. --Jay Freedman 07:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

But do they always have to be? As an engineering major you know how very complicated systems have been able to be described by equations, formulas, and equilibriums. It is a lofty goal to be sure, but the 4e Race is a relatively simple construction (compared to a classes, paragon path, or epic destinies). We should be able to devise some kind of scoring system to determine what is OP and what is UnderP. So far I have been using as a crude system, the following 6 point system: Lowlight: 1/2 point, Extra language: 1/2 point, Race Origin: 1/2 point, Racial power: 1-3 points, Other traits: 1-2 points. I try to calibrate this system based on races in the PHB and PHB2. It is not rigorous but it could be a start. Without a system of some sort, splitting race quality by balancing requirements could be somewhere between chaotic and impossible. Tavish 08:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

You just hit the nail on the head. I will quote you "...splitting race quality by balancing requirements could be somewhere between chaotic and impossible." This is what I see every day. The construction of the 3.5e Races was based upon estimates not real numbers. There for the only way to quantify these races is by estimates and not real numbers.

"I am the smartest man, not because I am learned, but because I know I am unlearned." -Socrates --Jay Freedman 08:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)