Talk:Witcher, 4th Variant (5e Class)

In response to this

"This page is of questionable balance. Reason: Certain Things stated in description need to be moved to be moved to features and probably removed.
Immunity to a damage type, condition, and disease at 1st level is far too powerful without greater consideration.
Persuaded, deceived, and dominated aren’t mechanics in 5e, though changing them to contest checks and saves against persuasion and deception checks.
Advantage against being charmed on top of this all is also far too powerful.

You can help D&D Wiki by better balancing the mechanics of this page. When the mechanics have been changed so that this template is no longer applicable please remove this template. If you do not understand balance please leave comments on this page's talk page before making any edits."

1- This Variant page, was made around 33hrs ago and messed with for it's 1st 12hrs or so. This message was here before this page was up for 24hrs.

2-"Persuaded, deceived", are when persuasion and deception are used against a player. Either by another, or NPC.

• Say for example if a Merchant tried to sell something overpriced originally, trying to get me to believe that's the normal price.
  

3-"dominated" is different from being charmed.

4-"Certain Things stated in description need to be moved to be moved to features".

• Wanna tell me what? Because it's extremely similar to the other Witcher classes on here.
  

5-"Immunity to a damage type, condition, and disease at 1st level is far too powerful without greater consideration."
A: It's not just a "learn this thing, like wizard", being a Witcher is being Mutant of Human. In lore it makes sense.
B: "•Resistance against poison. Immunity to the poison condition. Later at level 6, it becomes Immunity to poison overall." 6th level...
C: "•Immunity to disease." lookup, [Nature’s Ward-Druid] [Purity of Body-Monk] [Lay on Hands and Divine Health-Paladin] [Revived Nature-Rouge] [Psi-Enhanced Metabolism-Fighter]
D: The Immunity to poison is at 6th level, while condition and disease immunity are at 1st. I ask how much per campaign do you get poisoned condition, and a disease?
E: I'm re-looking thinks over as I go, and when I feel it's ready, I'm showing my variant to my DM.
Just FYI someone looking at this can tweak it to their campaign. Just as I tried with The original Witcher on here.

6-Why does my variant get hit with this, while I don't see it on the others? Especially when mine is/was baby-new and not much had been written or copied?

--RedrumZombies (talk) 03:54, 26 April 2020 (MDT)

Just FYI, I'm at the Bombs part. Might touch the potions part again.--RedrumZombies (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2020 (MDT)

The template was added because of issues early on. I have not read through the others, and “singled out” this page because I was watching the recent changes, it the most recent, and I was pointing out issues that I’ve seen repeated a lot on newer pages. I may stub up other Witcher pages if I find the same issues. While I will admit that it was hasty, it was in no way malicious.

Like it says on the needsbalance, persuaded and decieved need to be changed to something related to 5e mechanics, such as advantage on contests against another creature’s Persuasion or deception checks. Dominated is not a 5e mechanic. While it may seem reasonable to question how regularly disease and the poisoned condition are used, it’s a matter of DMs, just because yours doesn’t doesn’t meant that all others also don’t. I will concede, however, that disease immunity is somewhat commonplace. Resistance and immunity to charmed and frightened, however, is far too powerful, as those are inarguably two of the most common conditions in the game. There’s also some minor balance concerns with darkvision, but they’re not too pressing.

Additionally, if any part of the stub has been resolved, you are free to remove that portion. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:43, 26 April 2020 (MDT)

This is based on the classes:

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Witcher_(5e_Class)
https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Witcher,_3rd_Variant_(5e_Class)
https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Witcher,_Variant_(5e_Class)
https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Witcher,_6th_Variant_(5e_Class)
•I made this page for the reasons of: 1-I enjoyed the Witcher 3 game. 2-I now play a Witcher named Adriavolt of Dravograd in a campaign. 3-I wanted to reword/redo parts in the links provided above. Without messing with a page that's not reasonably mine. 4-To have a Witcher class for a potential Campaign of mine, I'd want. --RedrumZombies (talk) 04:24, 26 April 2020 (MDT)

'The recent notifications/changes'

Thanks "Nuke the Earth", for reverting whatever the other anonymous person edited.

I haven't really touched this since May 2020, since my PC was dead for months and I forgot about it.
I might try to finish it. To what I was aiming for.
Just FYI, there is probably another finished Variant that makes sense, and balanced-ish (which was why I tried to do this variant) by now.
Or at least more done than this.

-RedrumZombies [Feb 18th 2021]