Talk:Speedy Monk/Rogue (5e Optimized Character Build)

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Would it not also make sense to take the Way of the Shadow archetype when you reach Monk 3? Its powers can be used to effectively teleport to anywhere on the battlefield on a whim, even if those locations are normally inaccessible. --Kydo (talk) 23:03, 9 February 2016 (MST)

It could, however using the shadow step ability requires a bonus action. Which you're already using for an attack, a dash, or a disengage. Now, I didn't outline which monk archetype you take, as most of them could work for it without issue. Way of Shadows does have an advantage in that it can be used vertically, so you don't need a climb speed, but monks get the ability to move up vertical surfaces at level 9 as part of their unarmored movement. So shadow step is 60ft of teleportation with limits based on light level, but available at level 6 monk. But if you go to level 9 monk you will have(as a wood elf) a movement speed of 50ft, or 60ft with the mobility feat. So without mobility shadow step is decent even at level 9 monk. By level 14 monk it's overshadowed by your dash. Wood elf monk, without mobility, at level 14 has 60ft movement already. So instead of a bonus action to shadow step, you just bonus action dash and can cover the same distance. With mobility you can move further than you can shadow step. And that's with the ability to move up walls or across liquids without issue. So the only advantage shadow step retains is the ability to bypass gaps that you can't jump. --Arimia (talk) 18:44, 17 February 2016 (EST)

...And the ability to pass through barriers, such as bars, glass, and tiny openings you could not otherwise get through, provided you can see the other side. --Kydo (talk) 22:10, 17 February 2016 (MST)

When updated with Xanathar's you can gain another 10 feet of base movement with the following; Any elf, Rogue Scout lvl9, Monk of the Drunken Master(can be anything else for base, but shadow becomes slower than your bonus action movement speed after your second level of monk ), mobility feat. 35 + 10 + 20 + 10 = 75, +10 after using flurry of blows --> 225ft of movement per turn. Also, it might be useful to note that below level 4, the variant human is the fastest, because they can take the mobility feat at level 1. --BlackBirdZeokline (talk) 10:08, 14 September 2019 (MDT)

Aarakocra might actually be better for the race. +1 to Dex and Wis, with a flying speed of 50 feet. "Enough small trees can kill anything" -- NerdyAarakocra (talk) 11:03, 20 February 2022 (MST)

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