Talk:Shadow Tiefling (5e Race Variant)

Hi, first thing I have to say is thanks for reading. It is my first time posting in a Wiki, so I don't know every thing that I'm to do. I can't corret the grammar issues, because english isn't m y first lenguage. I can read, listen and speak correctly, but writing isn't my forte. So, if someone would help will be welcomed to. About the other issues, I post the spell altered under the Spells, but when I created this, I was not thinking as a generic Spell, where others than Shadow Elf may or may not use, it was more like the Breath Weapon for the dragonborns. And I think this is more like a Subrace, not a racial variant. It would be a variant on the 4e, but it is like the Drow are subraces in 5e. So, if you could explain why are you seeing like a variant, I would be grateful.

"Subrace" has a specific meaning in 5e. The elf race has an explicit "subrace" trait: they have to pick a subrace to get the remainder of their traits. The tiefling race doesn't have a "subrace" trait, they get a fixed set of traits.

The shadow tiefling isn't a subrace that "completes" the racial traits: it's an extra set of traits. They mostly alter the tieflings existing traits, so this is a variant. Marasmusine (talk) 02:06, 25 February 2015 (MST)

Ok, but if we keep thinking like that, we would never be able to create a subrace for the races which don't have an original. I use a set of subraces for the Tiefling in my game, Shadow, Elemental, Fey, Infernal and Material. Because of that I treat some of the traits given by Player Handbook as fixed, and others don't. Exactly like the others races-subraces. I now understand your point, why you think this is a variant and not a subrace, but different from the Human variant presented on the book, I see the Shadow Tiefling as a branch. Pehaps we are wrong, and we are correct to. The Shadow Tiefling may be a Subrace for a Variant Tiefling. Sorry for confusion on the text or grammar issues. If you understand and agree, what you think I should do, make more clear for others and create the variant to, also apresent the others, all in the same page, or create a link leading to the respective place? Bakaluke (talk) 10:12, 25 February 2015

I'm going to improve the framework for homebrew races, then I'll get back to you. Marasmusine (talk) 06:24, 25 February 2015 (MST)

Would it be acceptable for me to, in the spirit of the original intent of this page, create a Subraces Tiefling Variant, like I did for humans, and then turn this into a subrace for it? --Kydo (talk) 00:56, 27 August 2016 (MDT)

Wait... a racial variant, and the variant is a subrace trait *mind blown*. I need to look at this human thing as I'm not sure how having a subrace variant is different from just having variants. Marasmusine (talk) 01:57, 27 August 2016 (MDT)

Okay, I think it's a bit confusing calling them subraces, they are just further variants. A subrace is specifically tied to the subrace trait that some races have (in which you have to pick a subrace, it's not optional like a variant is). Marasmusine (talk) 02:02, 27 August 2016 (MDT)

Uh... Yeah... I know. I made a variant of the human race which has the subrace trait. I used the differences between the core and variant human as the Subraces. I could do the same kind of thing for Tieflings. --Kydo (talk) 03:29, 27 August 2016 (MDT)

For balance reasons, the recent changes to this page have been removed, and the original content restored.--Kahz (talk) 15:50, 19 October 2016 (MDT)

Question

Is this an attempt to make the shadowvar tieflings from the R. A. Salvador series " The legend of Drizzt Do'Orden ".

Balance Concerns

Am I the only one who thinks that this is strictly superior to tieflings? Sure, tieflings themselves don’t have a ton of features and could be viewed as weak, and sure, fire damage is more common than necrotic. However, this race variant just doesn’t seem right to me. Am I the only one who is a bit concerned about the balance? --MarshDASavage (talk) 08:23, 1 July 2021 (MDT)

Let me clarify: I do not think the race variant itself is unbalanced. However, I do think it is strictly superior to the tiefling, and that is a cause for concern in my eyes. --MarshDASavage (talk) 08:25, 1 July 2021 (MDT)