Talk:Saiyan (Dragon Ball Supplement)

Little Extra

This is something i made for my players and i can't see in the setting as "official" content to it, so i'll add it here to help other GMs have ideias how to deal with Super Saiyans transformations before lv23 or naturaly after.

Premature Super Saiyans

A Saiyan that have witness someone close to it die by unnatural means. (Examples: A fellow party member, a follower, a close friend, a spouse, a long time pet.) or suffer from extreme negative emotions related to be weak or not enough to defeat a target, may awaken the Super Saiyan Transformation early on.

To have a Premature Super Saiyan, a Saiyan in the right conditions must make a S-Cell Save, roll a d100 - 25, but for each level a Saiyan has in the Martial Artist class, the Saiyan gain a +1 in the roll.

if the Saiyan score between 90 to 100, the Saiyan can transform into a Super Saiyan for 1 minute, after 1 minute or the Ki points of the Saiyan reach 0, they de-transform and (At GM choice) can recieve the Super Saiyan 1 Transformation to it's list of Techniques and until the Saiyan reach lv25, they must spend two techniques slots to add it.

At GM choice, when a Saiyan achieve Super Saiyan Grade 4, they can retry this save again, rolling a d100 - 25, but for each level above 25, they gain +1 to the save.

If a Saiyan roll between 90 to 100, while under SSJ1 Grade 4, they go for 1 minute or until it's Ki reach 0, they are in Super Saiyan 2 and (At GM choice) can recieve the Super Saiyan 2 Transformation to it's list of Techniques and until the Saiyan reach lv33, they must spend two techniques slots to add it.

At the GM's choice, this DC for an SSJ can be increased or decreased every 5, but be aware that this will cause a Saiyan to acquire SSJ "too early" or "too late", so it is recommended that it does not decrease below 90, as this allows a Saiyan to become an SSJ at lv15 or higher, 95 at lv20 and 100 at lv25.

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Midalos (talk) 15:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Requests

Hello, im playing a campaing of DBZ with friends and i'm doing some works on my own side to the class/Races (just for me and friends) and i think it would be interesting that the Legendary Saiyan would be a sub-race of the Saiyan Race (maybe even add things like Low Class and Royalty, but that would hard to balance in pretty sure), but the only thing the Legendary Saiyan would get, its that the Rage State could be used as a Base Form (like the Ikari Form of Super Broly) and he cold get as a Basic Technique. It would make in lore, and i believe as some races get transformations very early on, this would not be unbalaced (maybe you could give that the Legendary Cant become Oozaru or something in thoses lines), anyway i thank yall for making this amazing Campaing Setting and im very excited to the future of it!

Example:

Ikari: The Legendary Saiyan have a power that drives him wild, the Rage Form count as a Basic Technique and Base instead of Form, but the Bloodlust condition can be only erased by Grades 5 or 6.

Royal Techniques: The Roalty of Saiyans have Techniques that are trade marks, Galick Gun Technique count as a Fundamental for the Royal Saiyan.

Low Class Hardwork: As a Low Class Saiyan you need to push yourself to maximum everyday, making your Techniques Maximum limite increases by 1

- By Midalos

Hello Midalos, I'm glad that you're enjoying the setting! Many hands went into shaping what this is today, and it really holds a close place in my heart due to the memories I've been able to make with it and the spirit of collaboration and teamwork in contributing to one project in the wiki with others. So it's encouraging and reassuring to hear that someone else is also having fun with it (since after all, it has gotten a little quiet over time as things rounded up into completion).

Now, about your suggestions, I think your idea about the Ikari form is brilliant. Since, in the source material itself, it's said to be the power of the Oozaru state utilized without increasing your size and turning into an ape, I think a good way to do this would be to make it a feature to access the transformation that the Oozaru feature grants even after losing one's tail or something along those lines. Something I should mention about the Oozaru feature, which is not really explained RAW but I do in the campaigns I DM, is making it so the Oozaru feature does not really count as a Base or Form technique, but just something that activates whenever its requirements are met. This allows it to be stacked with other forms, such as Super Saiyan, as you've mentioned. Making it Base Form should be good enough to allow for this effect, so I'll get to writing that out and adding the Ikari Form. If you really want to get the Super Broly experience, then you should look at the mutant feat and the Super Saiyan C & A types. You can flavor those to be any kind of mutated form of Super Saiyan, which they essentially are, whether the ones in the Z movies or in Super.

Lastly, for your suggestion about Low Class and Royalty, I don't think that there is a need to make such a distinction between them, as in truth the only difference they had was in power level and possibly training. This isn't something inherently different to make it a racial trait and can already be represented by a difference in levels, stats, and techniques known. As you can see from the Bestiary, High Class Saiyans are fairly stronger and have access to more advanced techniques, 'Full Powered Ki Wave' being a reflavored Galick Gun, which Low Class Saiyans don't have. P@uL (talk) 16:22, 23 June 2024 (MDT)

Hey, is there an idea of how one would have a U6 "Evolved Saiyan" as a Race? That is to say, could we have a Variant Race added in here, exchanging the Prehensile Tail and Oozaru Traits for something else, as well as giving up Powerful Build? My understanding is that their main strength is to more easily master Transformations, so perhaps its Racial Trait to replace Oozaru would allow them to either access Grades or other Transformations more easily. Is this a good suggestion? Bad? I don't know. Parcival001 (talk) 14:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Yo!.. about the Evolved Saiyans, they are not so far from normal Saiyans (U7), so you can exchange the Oozaru transformation in place to gain the Ikari racial feature, maybe later on we can work on a "Sub-Race" of U6 Saiyans, so if you wanna go U7 Saiyans you would gain Oozaru transformation and etc, but not for the U6 ones... it's actually a interesting ideia to see later. Thank you!! --Midalos (talk) 15:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)