Talk:Rithaniels Extraplanar Homestead (3.5e Spell)

Genesis

I came across this spell looking for stuff a lich might use. I like to utilize the strengths of my villains (in the case of a lich, three major strengths are Darkvision, no need to eat, and no need to breathe).

Just thinking of undead, imagine how much they could kick butt in their own plane. Make it a complete vacuum with no light and bam! PCs will have to buy an Irridencent Spindle Ioun stone or polymorph just to survive during the fight and: "Ioun stones have AC 24, 10 hit points, and hardness 5".

As an arcane counterpart to the power Genesis, this is extremely powerful. Spells of this power are best left to epic levels in my opinion. I would copy the way Genesis works generally. --Aarnott 09:40, 9 February 2009 (MST)

Well, you do raise some good points, but doesn't Genesis state that you can make the atmosphere of the plane be whatever you want, in which case you could make it pure sulfur and have the same desired effect as a vacuum. Now, having pointed that out, I think this spell may actually be weaker than the genisis power, considering that with the genisis power you merely activate the power and the plane grows of its own accord, as with this spell you have to continually concentrate for an untold ammount of time in order to get the same desired dimensions and specifics that the genisis power provides without requirement. Though I do admit that you have a point, what with making the plane a lightless vacuum to begin with being possibly too simple, perhaps I could change that, though I'd need to think about how to do it before I make any drastic change (as you may have noticed, I poured a lot of effort into this spell). Also, thanks for your interest, I saw that you were making a homebrew only lich the other day myself, and I thought that was a very cool idea. (you may be interested in this spell too btw: Blood Storm (3.5e Spell)) → Rith (talk) 11:33, 9 February 2009 (MST)

Well, I should say that first you are right: Genesis can create exactly what I wanted for an evil lich. The actual overpowered parts of this spell is that you can modify the time trait of the plane (even the time invested doesn't matter much since you gain that time back in one day) and also the elemental/alignment changes are just too good. Of course you did make the XP cost huge. --Aarnott 12:14, 9 February 2009 (MST)

Hmm, good point about the time trait making up for itself, I hadn't seen that first time through, maybe I should put a restriction on it, like "you can only change the time trait on this plane to be: (2 day on that plane=one day on material plane)" or would it better to just eliminate that feature? (ponders for a moment) Anyways, for the elemental/alignment traits, I actually had thought about only making it so you could make the plane minorly aligned, and nothing further, but I thought it'd be interesting to make the place a blazing inferno, so I added it in, though it may in fact be overpowered with that capability how that I think about negative energy and whatnot, and yes, even when I was making this spell I realized it was powerful, so I made sure it wouldn't be one that would be used lightly (i.e. huge xp drain). → Rith (talk) 17:39, 9 February 2009 (MST)

Yeah, I see what you mean now, I only recenly managed to get a proper chance to look through The Manual to the Planes, and I realized that the elemental/energy trait and alignment trait weren't as mechanical as I had expected, except for the matter of temperature in the elemental/energy trait bubble, so I've taken that off and replaced it with something that made a little more sense (temperature change, woohoo). Also, the SRD is a little vague on the effects of those 2 kind of traits, could it be possible for someone to update them and offer a slightly better explaination, or is Wizards of the Coast keeping it secret as per their whole "product identity" thingy? → Rith (talk) 15:04, 26 February 2009 (MST)

Riches

This spell can give you 32 billion silver pieces-worth of silver in 69 hours, or two thirds of a trillion gold pieces-worth of platinum, assuming that platinum isn't more complex than silver. I don't know about you, but that sounds like a lot of money to me.--Foxwarrior 23:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)