Talk:Fuinjutsu (Shinobi World Supplement)

If someone flying raijins as a reaction to an aoe jutsu/effect, but teleports into that same aoe area, are they allowed to time it to dodge the effect or how does that work? ~~GentlestGolemn

If you are still within the aoe, you are still targeted by it. While this is mostly for simplicity and balance, lore-wise it is shown and stated to be instantaneous movement, making there no real timing possible, as you would move from one effected space to another that is still being effected.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:35, 13 December 2021 (MST)

• For the Iron shell jinchuriki seal, does it benefit any implantation or just jinchuriki/permanence? ~~ GentlestGolemn ~~(talk) 00:31, 16 December 2021 (MST)

This has been addressed on page.--Ref3rence (talk) 09:25, 16 December 2021 (MST)

• For the Grudge Kettle, should probably change it to something like they have to "make the Red Chakra save at the (start or end) when they take a long rest without full health" so that players don't have to make hundreds of checks when they sleep. ~~ GentlestGolemn ~~(talk) 23:58, 24 December 2021 (MST)

The point of Grudge Tea Kettle Lid is to give mechanics to part 1 Gaara's relationship with Shukaku, so I don't think your proposed solution really fits that theming. That being said, I've reduced it to every hour instead of every minute because yikes, but mid edit I had a second idea that I wanted a second opinion on. What if instead of making a save, it was based on their passive Wisdom/Constitution saving throw bonus (calculated in the same way as passive Perception) so players instead make no rolls?--Ref3rence (talk) 11:29, 27 December 2021 (MST)

• That sounds interesting, would it work like a stat requirement to not have to roll you mean? ~~ GentlestGolemn ~~(talk) 18:11, 29 December 2021 (MST)

Moreso that you either are controlled while asleep or are not based on a stat requirement.--Ref3rence (talk) 19:28, 29 December 2021 (MST)

• That sounds pretty cool imo, and a less overly chaotic. ~~ GentlestGolemn ~~(talk) 21:02, 29 December 2021 (MST)

2 Questions for Guiding Thunder. If an AOE jutsu is teleported from point A to point B and there are creatures in that new AOE of point B, are they are allowed any saving throws against the jutsu if it requires, or is it sort of a "because it was teleported instantaneously you kinda get no time to respond" thing. second, when a creature would use a Melee Jutsu (a Jutsu that requires a Melee attack like Rasengan or Chidori) and Guiding Thunder is used on it cause it become "near one of the seals", would it teleport the creature using it as well? my reasoning for this second question is that the melee jutsu is in a way, attached to the creature and thus if teleported, it may teleport what it is attached to. - CleverNot 9:25, 26 October 2022

For your first question, they would still be able to make a saving throw, mostly for balance reasons. For your second, only the jutsu would be teleported RAW, but it would be within the realm of RAI to allow it to teleport the caster as well.--Ref3rence (talk) 13:36, 27 October 2022 (MDT)

When it comes to using Revolving Flying Raijin and the caster uses this by trying to swap with a puppet currently being controlled by a shinobi (chakra strings and stuff) and fails the saving throw. would the puppet AND the controller both be teleported due to the chakra strings of the controller being connected between the two creatures? - CleverNot 10:48, 16, December 2022 (EST)

Revolving Flying Raijin only targets one creature, regardless of if any other creatures are touching them.--Ref3rence (talk) 09:27, 16 December 2022 (MST)

For Sealing Technique: Five Elements. it has a range of 5ft radius and a chakra cost of 8+. none of its descriptions really match or hint towards the 5ft radius or the ability to spend more chakra. is this a typo? - CleverNot 6:48, 19, December 2022 (EST)

This should be fixed now.--Ref3rence (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2022 (MST)

Didn't even notice this until I suggested sealing chains in yang release, but this nature is practically necessary, so much utility. Question about placing the hiraishin though, if you already have ink are you still paying 30 gold? Also if you use shuriken shadow clone, or another jutsu that would create a copy of the hiraishin marked kunai, would you also be able to teleport to the copy? It feals like if the seal works like a lightning rod then the copy should as well.--Azura (talk) 21:35, 19 January 2023 (MST)

While this nature is markedly stronger than other natures, it requires a feat to get, which pushes it closer to balanced in my opinion. As for Flying Raijin, weapons created from Shuriken Shadow Clone "[disappear] at the end of your turn", but are otherwise identical to the original, so I don't see a problem with being able to teleport to them.--Ref3rence (talk) 18:15, 20 January 2023 (MST)

So I put this under feats discussion first, but I figure I'll put it here too, but isn't it kind of odd that the barrier nin feat has a con requirement instead of int. I mean they make it pretty clear that fuinjutsu is a complicated skill that requires lots of studying and a good memory. I don't thing con would really have much to do with it. Like which makes more sense for using fuinjutsu, the frail smart guy or the tough dumb one. Now my guess is that it was set as con because the Uzumaki's who had strong life force were masters of fuinjutsu, but aside from the adamantine chains I don't think those 2 things were related. I will say a con requirement or yang affinity should be a requirement on the sealing chains.--Azura (talk) 19:42, 22 January 2023 (MST)

Sorry for the delay, I've been prepping/running a session the past couple days. You'd be right, the Constitution requirement was originally chosen due to the Uzumaki clan. However, since Fuinjutsu is shown to be somewhat unorthodox compared to normal ninjutsu (and to make it less likely that a player would already have the requirement from the get-go), I'll probably change it to Wisdom.--Ref3rence (talk) 14:40, 24 January 2023 (MST)

I get why you would do that mechanically, but I don't see how wisdom would really affect it, maybe just make it a higher int requirement like 18 or 20--Azura (talk) 12:26, 25 January 2023 (MST)

Also I know strength of a hundred is in the healer path, but it is just fuinjutsu that requires precise chakra control, so I feel like there should maybe be a weaker version of it here, that requires the masterful chakra control feat. Maybe say only 80% of the chakra you put in the seal is properly sealed in and of course no strength of 1000 bonus. It would take at least 3 feats, and there might be some added restrictions to keep it balanced, and to make sure it's clearly inferior to the path of the healer version.

This has been added. After messing around with some balance, I don't think making it require 3 feats is necessary.--Ref3rence (talk) 14:40, 24 January 2023 (MST)

That looks good, except 3 x con seems a little low, I'd suggest a static 15 or maybe have it use int con or wis whatever's highest. Perhaps on the healer class too. Especially because there is no way Sakura's con is anywhere close to tsunade's but her int helps her with the chakra control and storage.--Azura (talk) 14:14, 25 January 2023 (MST)

So mechanically, I understand the flying raijin costing gold, but none of the rest do, and we've seen Minato place a seal without any prior prep, so maybe instead of gold, impose a limit on the number of Raijin seals that someone can have at once, and then add a feat to break that limit like for shadow clone. Maybe like half the character level rounded down unless they have the feat--Azura (talk) 16:20, 6 February 2023 (MST)

My DM is wondering if the jutsu: "Flying Raijin Cloud", allows the player to choose in which direction the gas/liquid flow between the seals, allows water to perpetually flow out like a fountain for the duration of the jutsu, and allows creatures to be pushed through either side of the seal if they are made of water/gas or if that would even need to be a perquisite to travel during the duration Sugar rush (talk) 12:04, 24 August 2023 (MDT)