Talk:Elementalist (4e Class)

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Sounds like a great idea,I'm a DM,and all my PCs love it.

Sounds like something a PC would like. It's kind of IMBA because of it only requiring wisdom I need to change it some time in the future... if it ever comes xDPyrofreek 18:48, 4 March 2009 (MST)

I really like this class, and recently came up with a paragon path for the water preference. Keeping in line with the current set up, I made everything wisdom as well. If you ever come back to this, I volunteer to help you out. vaftss2 23:52, 12 April 2012 (CST)

Thanx Green Dragon, I was wondering how to do that. --Pyrofreek 12:19, 10 November 2008 (MST)

No problem. It's kind of a neat thing, really. We were toying around with the choose option with the FA's on the Main Page, but then decided against it. --Green Dragon 15:24, 24 November 2008 (MST)

Power Source

I was just curious as to why you chose Primal as their power source, as opposed to Elemental. I know it is mostly a fluff factor but it just seems like Elemental for an Elementalist class sounds better. Just curious, I know it has no mechanic effect (at least not yet, or as long as no one plays a Cambion). -- Sepsis 16:40, 10 November 2008 (MST)

First off I chose Primordial as the "power source", and unless someone else changed it I dont understand how to confuse the two. Second, I toyed with the idea of an "elemental power source" but it just sounded too plain so I decided that since that "elemental" energy comes from the "Primordials" (if you dont know the primordials are supposed to be beings with godlike powers over the elemtal chaos) that I would have the Elementalist draw their power directly from them. --Pyrofreek 14:49, 24 November 2008 (MST)

Well then from what you jsut said the pwoersource really shoudl be Elemental... ShadowyFigure 08:17, 4 February 2009 (MST)

Maybe I should but I was tired when I made this and I didn't wanna forget =P. and besides, Primordial sounds way cooler than Elemental XDPyrofreek 18:50, 4 March 2009 (MST)

Does anyone else think that the power source should be changed to Elemental? Now its just mostly that I don't want to change all the entries that say Primordials in it to Elemental, and Primordial still sounds cooler (because its different) Pyrofreek 19:52, 12 April 2009 (MDT)

Different isn't always good. By going with a "new" Power Source you cut of members of this class from a variety of Feats, Paragon Paths, and Epic Destinies. As well the Elemental Power Source fits this class perfectly. There is no need to have them gain their power directly from the Primordials, you can just fluff the class so that "Elementalists" actually worship the Primordials, and through this devotion can channel Elemental power. As is I would have to Oppose any nomination for "Featured Article" just because this so blatently goes against 4e design standards. Which brings to mind that if you keep the "Primordial" Power Source, you should add the "Design Disclaimer" template to the top of the page. -- Sepsis 06:31, 7 May 2009 (MDT)

Hmm. Didn't know about that. There's really an Elemental power source already? I'll have to look into that. But I'm not really sure how much it will mesh with the current power source, so untill I take a look, I'm not going to change it. And hopefully it'll take less than a month to take a look at things that have been going on. Pyrofreek 13:55, 21 July 2009 (MDT)

Take a look at page 54 of the PhB. As well it has already been announced that the Elemental power source will be joining Shadow in PhB4. Just a heads up. -- Sepsis 12:08, 22 July 2009 (MDT)

Sepsis, you really need to calm down about this kinda stuff. The vast majority of the time, the power source doesn't matter. WOTC is constantly making new power sources by picking names out of a hat, and I see no reason that other people can't make custom power sources either. To insist that articles can't be favored articles or that they should have silly disclaimers on them for making a new power source - and one that makes a decent amount of sense for some settings - is being too harsh. Dragon Child 12:15, 22 July 2009 (MDT)

The only thing that I'm worried about right now is that the feats, paragon paths, etc. is that it won't work well with the Elementalist class I've made. That and changing all entries of Primordial to Elemental :P Pyrofreek 18:15, 22 July 2009 (MDT)

Actually you can solve the whole potential problem very easily, and still keep your unique Power Source in case you want it for specific flavor or potential unique PPs, EDs, or Feats. Just reword the Power Source entry to read; "Power Source: Elemental (Primordial). Elementalists borrow the chaotic energies from the Elemental Chaos, and its lords, the Primordials.". Now they are considered to have both sources if you will, very similar to a Hybrid character. By doing this you don't have to change anything else and you remove the block that would have kept this class from using future potetial material. -- Sepsis 09:17, 23 July 2009 (MDT)

IF they're going to add an Elemental source, then it should probably be that. There's no guarantee there will be, however, or that it'll even have the flavor that you want. In addition, there is no difference from making it "Elemental", a power source that hasn't been released yet, or any random word you want it to be. If anything, there's a worry that feats and paragon paths designed for other elemental classes could unbalance the class. Dragon Child 18:19, 22 July 2009 (MDT)

Promising

I really like how this class looks like it will actually be finished. When it is, I will be the first to nominate it for featured article status because holy damn making a complete 4e class is a lot of work. Surgo 17:13, 12 April 2009 (MDT)

Wow.

You sir, have motivated me to finsish this that much faster (althought I'm not quite sure how much faster that much is). Pyrofreek 19:19, 12 April 2009 (MDT)

Name of Powers

An Elementalist's powers are now called invocations instead of Spells, so if anyone sees anywhere that needs changing from spells to invocations, please feel free to do so, thanks. (Adding it to this would be excellent)

Genisi

I was wandering if you were going to have anything about genisi, the Forggoten realms player race, which also use the elments. I have created a character for a low-level campaine using a Ice genisi that is a a Fire Elementalist. Just wondering if you want that to actully effect it at all, and want to say keep up the great work! --Kaimonkey 00:39, 26 November 2009 (MST)