Talk:Dragonborn (3.5e Race)

Edits would be nice

Please tell me what to adjust to make this more flavorful or balanced as an LA+0 race!! --For Valor 12:46, 1 July 2009 (MDT)

The title is misleading. I was confused thinking you tried converting some 3.5 Dragonborn to 4e. I would make it called "Dragonborn (DnD Race)" and just list that it is a conversion in the article. Eventually, all of the (DnD XXXX) will be converted to (3.5e XXXX). --Aarnott 13:10, 1 July 2009 (MDT)

Yes, SIR! But while I'm at that, do you have any suggestions for balance or flavorfulness? Those would help... --For Valor 23:27, 1 July 2009 (MDT)

• Why would they make Knowledge (history) checks about themselves?
• You are introducing 4e terminology into the article. There is no need to do that. 3.5 does not have bloodied (just change it to "less than half the Dragonborn's maximum hitpoints". Cone 3 ==> 15ft. cone, Line 6 ==> 30 ft. line.
• Dragonborn Fury should give a typed bonus to Strength (insight or racial likely). I would make it insight for balance reasons.
• The blinding effect of Dragon Breath is overpowered at low levels. You might want to make it a feat that Dragonborn can gain.
• The ability score for Dragon Breath should be Constitution. 3.5 breath weapons are all Con based.

Even after these changes, this race will overpower most standard 3.5 races, besides the Human. I can't argue with that, since there is a lot to be desired with non-humans anyways. --Aarnott 07:14, 2 July 2009 (MDT)

And Dwarf. The God-king of 3.5e Races. --TK-Squared 08:47, 2 July 2009 (MDT)

Shouldn't there be a stat penalty? I'd suggest dex or wis - GaaaaaH 22:50, 3 July 2009 (MDT)

Well, in order to keep them able to be used as fighters, I can't do Dex, Str, or stuff like that. I suppose Wis would work. That would make sense. --For Valor 23:30, 6 July 2009 (MDT)

Just to let you know if you did not already, but dragonborn is a template like race (it is gained through a ritual) from the Races of the Dragon. I wasn't sure if you already knew of these and realize that this is just a conversion of 4e dragonborn into 3.5e, so this was just me trying to be a little informative and maybe give you some ideas that could help with the race. -Sarrow 04:26, 7 July 2009 (MDT)

I would advise taking away the Dragon Fury ability and the Dragonbreath's advancement. I would also take one of the +2 bonuses and add a -2 penalty. I'm using such a cutdown version in my own game and went with +2 CHA -2 DEX, although I understand you are adverse to such physical penalties.

Here is a set up my play group agreed upon - it works for us, it may work for y'all too:

Racial Traits

• -2 Charisma, -2 Dexterity, +2 Constitution ,+2 Strength: Built for combat, these warriors are hardy combatants, but not as agile as other races.
• Humanoid (Reptilian)
• Medium-size: As medium-size creatures, Dragonborn have no special bonuses or penalties due to their size.
• Dragonborn base land speed is 30 feet.
• Low-Light Vision: A Dragonborn can see twice as far as a human in starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor illumination. He or She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail under these conditions.
• Immunity to magical sleep and paralysis
• +2 racial bonus to Intimidate and Knowledge (History) checks: Dragonborn are skilled at making themselves fearsome, and are also deeply rooted in the glorious stories of days long past.
• Dragonborn Fury (Ex): When a Dragonborn takes damage that would make them bloodied (50% or less hit points), they enter a rage that gives them a temporary +1 insight bonus to Attack rolls until they are longer bloodied or have not fought for at least 1 hour. Dragonborn cannot use skills or abilities that require patience or concentration (such as moving silently or casting a spell) while in this fury.
• Automatic Languages: Common and Draconic. Bonus Languages: Elven, Dwarven, Goblin, Orc.
• Favored Class: Barbarian.
• Level Adjustment: 0