Talk:Death Knight (3.5e Prestige Class)

Sphere Choices... and other stuff

I like this prestige class a lot. It's awesome, and I especially want to add it to the metagame with a few other prestige classes based off the Tome Knight class. But I think the whole thing needs to be advanced to 10 levels (just increasing the Sword of Death power, and giving alternating sphere advancements and bonus feats would work) instead of 5, so that a Knight could go to level 10 and then take 10 levels in the Death Knight prestige class.

I also think that the sphere choices are limited (well, there isn't any choice. Which is as limited as you can get). Wouldn't it be better to have the spheres of Carnage, Bone, Fire, and Dead all available, and the Death Knight could choose which of the spheres he wanted, or advance a rank in his sphere-usage, as he leveled. --For Valor 22:50, 28 June 2009 (MDT)

I like this one, too. However, a lot of abilities right now kinda-sorta mirror the powers of the Death Knight template, except this doesn't give an LA. The classic abilities of the Death Knight relate to fire and they had control over the undead. I guess 5 levels was deemed long enough to get was needed in there. There does need to be some Knight PrC's written, and I've taken a stab at it from time to time, but they'd almost need to be tailored to a campaign setting's peculiarities. --Genowhirl 09:38, 29 June 2009 (MDT)

Oh, I forgot. If you want to write a 10-level Death Knight and some Knightly Order PrC's, I'd be very interested in seeing the results. --Genowhirl 12:34, 29 June 2009 (MDT)

An interesting Idea... I'd be willing to give it a shot, I might even be able to emulate the feel of Frank and K's work. Though I'm fairly new to the wiki I might need help with the formatting. --Starless_Knight 9:46, 29 October 2010 (CDT)

Rating

Power - 1/5 I give this class a 1 out of 5 because some of the given numbers such as the greataxe base attack to hit are ridiculous to even imagine. Not only does the NPC at the end of the form have like a +26 on its first attack, its a level 20 npc with 4 levels of wizard. Your adding numbers wrong to begin with. A 6th lvl fighter has a base of +6/+1 and a wizard at 4th lvl has a +2. Its virtually impossible Arcturus Morsen could have a +26 attack base with anything even being a level 20 character. Secondly, the abilities could be better. This creature is a legacy of unholy power. Go read a stories of Lord Soth in the Dragonlance and Ravenloft books. A Death Knight should be intimidating, shouldn't have to transform into anything like a vampire or even a sword wraith. They use their deathly aura to create fear in even the bravest of fools that try to encounter a Death Knight. The profanities in the Death Knight class on D&D wiki already go over a lot of the powers of a Death Knight and they come very close to the ideal strengths of the Death Knight. --108.162.238.163 02:58, 18 August 2012 (MDT)

Really? Really? You didn't read the statblock. Rather, you didn't understand the statblock yet you tried to cite it as evidence anyway. Time for Remedial Char-Op 101! At level 20 with four levels of wizard, that's +18 BAB. 20 Str gives +5 to that. So that's +23. +2 weapon makes that +25. And...oh...What's that? Weapon focus! Oh yes! Yes, it is! it gives a +1 to attack! Incredible! That brings us up to +26. And, let me say, that is extremely low-end for a level 20 melee character. It wouldn't be hard to squeeze that +26 up to over 30. Take a Belt of Strength, shell out for a +5 weapon. That's an additional +6 to attack bonus right there. More if he takes inherent strength boosts from wish or that manual. Anyways, what the heck are you doing judging class balance by, honestly, a fairly poor NPC? You do nothing to address the actual class powers or the class itself. --108.162.238.163 02:58, 18 August 2012 (MDT)

Wording - 1/5 I give this class a 1 out of 5 because the class features are hard to understand and visualize for what this character type to be. If I am making a Death Knight based on the abilities of this page, why do I want to become a vampire or anything else. A Death Knight stands way further up the unholy charts compared to a sword wraith or even a vampire. --108.162.238.163 02:58, 18 August 2012 (MDT)

Formatting - 1/5 I give this class a 1 out of 5 because the writer needs to perform more research into a class such as a death knight. I'm not trying to insult the player or writer, it's just that so many of these home brews try to make invincible creatures of power that it becomes ridiculous for DM's such as myself to want to run campaigns of equal value for players. In research I mean go read novels, watch movies, etc. I made a drunken master prestige class that my DM absolutely loves. I used many different skills such as tumble and balance and synergies to give me the bonuses in attack and AC, along with the amount of alcohol consuming. The Drunken Master prestige in the Complete Adventure Book was a format to start with but watching the Legend of the Drunken Master and watching other movies with drunken brawls were the motivation to redesign the prestige class. Give the classes that are created penalties. One penalty my DM loved was the consuming alcohol, not only did I receive a negative in Int and/or Wis, but I had to roll vs poisoning myself. If you have penalties along with perks to a character, it makes it fun for the game. If building a super powered creature is fun, thinking you have the upper hand, just remember, a DM can unleash godly powers against you, making the game not so fun. Ask some of my players who gave up their goal of trying to make these characters. DM's just break them! Work on the info and it should come out fine. Good Luck! --108.162.238.163 02:58, 18 August 2012 (MDT)

Wrong section. This is about formatting. --108.162.238.163 02:58, 18 August 2012 (MDT)

Flavor - <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>>/5 I give this class a <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>> out of 5 because <<<insert why you gave the rating and how to improve it>>> --108.162.238.163 02:58, 18 August 2012 (MDT)